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A big difference is that Obama did not attack the wrong country. Second big difference is that he is focussed in containing terrorists in their most productive area - which also has drugs and a nuclear neighbor in its mix. OK, we (Dems/Reps) do not have the guts to stand up against Saudis who indirectly funded some of the training camps , but moving out of Afghanistan just plain tells the world we are a bunch of pu$$ies and attacks on us are just fine.
No kidding - anti-Indian message from a friend in Pakistan? Pakistanis have been openly supporting terrorists against India - ask your friend what the govt there is doing to contain terrorists that are regularly snaked into India and result in Mumbai-type attacks. The pakistanis are starting to get a taste of their own medicine.
India and Pakistan have had a beef for a long time, does anyone know the reason behind that?
Somehow it seems that Obama said in his speech the other night that he wanted to do nearly everything that was done wrong in iraq. He failed to see that the Surge of Petraeus did the trick and wants to go back to earlier days. I wonder if he really wants to win. He never did say anything about winning the other night.
Roy, how'd you feel when Bush was president. You never once complained about the war then.
You silly.
How many of my posts did you read before the Surge that happened in spring of 2007? I am thinking none at all but maybe you were at some of the places I was at then.
I think that until Petraeus executed that Surge that Obama and Reid declared unworkable in early 2007 little had been done that was right.
Now we have a President who thinks that a 3/4 Surge may work in Afghanistan. A much larger country than Iraq with fewer soldiers than his commander asked for. I hope it works out but don't think it will unless he lets the military commanders do the commanding.
Once again, you don't know it but I was never really for the way that Iraq war was prosecuted until the Surge and before it really got to work completely the Dems in Congress had shut it down. Now Obama is being continually screamed at by so many of them to give it up after he promised to finish it. I feel for him because of this.
Well roy I was all for the upping of troops as that is what the military folks wanted. I was actually glad I had something to agree with the great Obama on but then he added his withdrawl date. Well what the hell is the point if your just gonna pull out in a couple years on a certain date? Hell may as well get out now and save the lives of folks for the next couple years. Left handers will never know how to fight a war that's for sure bunch of idiots is all they are.
I think that the withdrawal date is intended to make the far left a bit less unhappy with him. Obama is caught between a rock and a hard place. He made all those promises and can't even keep this one because so many of his own party don't want it to happen. He wants to do the right thing and his party won't allow him to do it.
Yes that date will only make the Afghans hide out till the date gets here and the Dems force Obama to get out. The attack today convinces me that the military people in Afghanistan think they are supposed to try to win, whatever that turns out to be. The Surge is months away since troops won't start going before sometime in January. My former foster daughter was slated to go there in September and will be getting specialized training next week for a couple of weeks and leave around Christmas for Afghanistan. Of course, this group has nothing to do with a surge, at all.
India and Pakistan have had a beef for a long time, does anyone know the reason behind that?
The best info I could find about your question is that in 1947, (I was in high school then) when the British were getting out of India they split them into the two nations they are now. At that time the religions, Muslim in Pakistan, and the mostly Hindus of India were at each other's throats and have been ever since. Of course, there are political differences and used to be the jealousy of Pakistan over the success of India and the jealousy of India over Pakistan coming up with the first atomic weapon.
I think that we could say that it is both religion and politics that have caused it all. I do remember in the late 40s and early 50s each group attacked the people of the other religion in some very bloody set tos. That was mostly religious, as I remember.
I think that the withdrawal date is intended to make the far left a bit less unhappy with him. Obama is caught between a rock and a hard place. He made all those promises and can't even keep this one because so many of his own party don't want it to happen. He wants to do the right thing and his party won't allow him to do it.
Yes that date will only make the Afghans hide out till the date gets here and the Dems force Obama to get out. The attack today convinces me that the military people in Afghanistan think they are supposed to try to win, whatever that turns out to be. The Surge is months away since troops won't start going before sometime in January. My former foster daughter was slated to go there in September and will be getting specialized training next week for a couple of weeks and leave around Christmas for Afghanistan. Of course, this group has nothing to do with a surge, at all.
It appears all we are left to do is kill as many Talibon and bad guys as possible before the left forces the retreat. Now my question is will that even happen and only time will tell. I'm sure we'll have plenty of airpower and spec forces still running around even if the ONE decides to play political games with the troops. Maybe the Talibon will think they have free reign again and come swarming out of the hills and we can blast em to bits. Of course some civilians might get in the way so I guess that is out of the question. PC wars tough to fight. Maybe lefties should go over and play the human shield game for em?
It appears all we are left to do is kill as many Talibon and bad guys as possible before the left forces the retreat. Now my question is will that even happen and only time will tell. I'm sure we'll have plenty of airpower and spec forces still running around even if the ONE decides to play political games with the troops. Maybe the Talibon will think they have free reign again and come swarming out of the hills and we can blast em to bits. Of course some civilians might get in the way so I guess that is out of the question. PC wars tough to fight. Maybe lefties should go over and play the human shield game for em?
Its almost impossible to defeat the Taliban, the more you kill the more they will expand.
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