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Old 12-18-2009, 07:17 PM
 
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Alex, I'll take "Newfoundland's contributions to the modern world for a trillion dollar debt please."
Alex, "What are hugemongous dogs?"
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Old 12-18-2009, 07:18 PM
 
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The American health care system is the butt of many a jokes worldwide. Anytime someone in the developed world complains about his or her health care someone nearby replies "at least we're not in the US"
No,the healh care system is not the butt of jokes it is how we pay for it that is the butt of jokes. The Health insurance system.
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Old 12-18-2009, 08:19 PM
 
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Meh, this isn't worth debating over. It's a matter of having different values. I would want to live in a country that is accomplished, military strong and successful, economically powerful, etc."""


Why? So you can brag as it turns into a third world country?




I wouldn't want to live in a whimpering social democracy that spends half its budget on sprucing up African shantyvilles.
I would love to live in a country with free health care, free higher education which would assure that citizens get good paying high quality jobs that let them afford the higher taxes that give them free health care.....and makes them happy.



I would prefer that to some war mongering blood thirsty testosterone driven, economically failing, racially divided country where people die from lack of affordable health care and the rich get richer through tax breaks and corporate Death Panels and not hard work...........guess we all have our preferences.
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Old 12-18-2009, 08:21 PM
 
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That would be me. It was about Newfoundland though. I've been waiting years for a Newfie thread and finally one came up. Sorry it got up your nose.
Beg pardon (sincerely). Just thought what a country, any country, was like so long ago isn't relevent to what it's like today...no offense intended.
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Old 12-18-2009, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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This is my fourth pub visit (I have a couple of favorites so the sample is limited) and when the topic of health care comes up, the Newfoundlanders to a person, think that Americans are crazy to oppose a national system. My survey so far includes two nurses and anesthesiologist, the staff of an eye glass store during a christmas party, and a bunch of engineers and oil rig workers.

I'm about to order another round to continue studying the topic.
so, what is your point? did you explain to them, if nothing else,we are talking about a country with a handful of people versus one with millions and a country probably no bigger than Ca or not much, compared to one of the largest countries in the world? There is no way to do a fair comparison...
Can we also add, they listen to the media and do not know what we do have here. Our daughter travels around the world on business. Recently she got into a discussion about our health care. People in other countries do not realize we do offer health care to our poor and do offer emergancy care to everyone. They have been left to believe we have people who can not even see a doctor if they are dieing...Bad information!!!


Nita
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Old 12-18-2009, 11:59 PM
 
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I would love to live in a country with free health care, free higher education which would assure that citizens get good paying high quality jobs that let them afford the higher taxes that give them free health care.....and makes them happy.



I would prefer that to some war mongering blood thirsty testosterone driven, economically failing, racially divided country where people die from lack of affordable health care and the rich get richer through tax breaks and corporate Death Panels and not hard work...........guess we all have our preferences.
If the U.S. is racially divided, then that is because its contemporary culture has largely been based (by liberal ideologues) on faux-multiculturalism. Denmark is obviously more homogenuous, but you see in Scandinavia now, in areas such as the Swedish cities, that immigration is beginning to create violent clashes between Christianity and Islam, between white Germanics and Middle Easterners, between social liberalism/tolerance and Islamic conservatism, between Europe and the lands of Mohammed.
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Old 12-19-2009, 12:35 AM
 
Location: AZ
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And beautiful GENTLE dogs....NOT agrressive, violent bloodthirsty American Pit Bulls....says a lot!
You may want to check your facts...

American Kennel Club - American Staffordshire Terrier

And your Newfoundlands traits/breed standards

American Kennel Club - Newfoundland History

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Old 12-19-2009, 02:15 AM
 
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Newfies are great folks. Canadians talk about them like they're Polish jokes but I can't recall how many wars they started in the last century or two. Any at all???

They tend not to lock their doors in small villages, most everyone knows everyone. Wintertime etiquette a guest may stay for as long as the firewood they brought with them holds out. I kind of like their brand of hospitality, their sense of community, and genuine kindness. Strange why anyone would have a problem with how they're living.

Ovocatto have a blast, and please offer Newfies my apologies for the decade long psychiatric emergency America's had. Perhaps if we could minister some creamed onions Garrison Keilor mentioned...
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Old 12-19-2009, 03:04 AM
 
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People in other countries do not realize we do offer health care to our poor and do offer emergancy care to everyone. They have been left to believe we have people who can not even see a doctor if they are dieing...Bad information!!!


Nita
Clarity is a good thing. We do offer health care to our poor at the expense of middle class folks paying astronomically higher insurance rates plus at triple the rate for those uninsured who don't qualify under an arbitrary poverty line. Easy enough to solve for the average american- spend everything you've got to cover the doctor, go bankrupt, now you qualify for charity. Anyone willing to depart middle class into poverty, we cared so much we put extra grease on the track to ease your way and make sure you don't accidentally cross back over the poverty line. Wouldn't want you to lose your benefits.

Our emergency rooms are brimming over with all the care we offer to our poor who have to go there for non emergencies because a regular office visit costs more than a cost shifted freebie at the ER. To qualify for the dental clinic, they're instructed to attend the emergency room that will officially declare a dental emergency in order to get on the 2 week short list instead of 6 mos- 1yr. Same with diabetics in need of a specialist that must jump through an ER hoop the insurance company set up for referral process. That's not rationed care in any way. Nope, just trade your wallet for your life. Doctors don't wear masks because of germs in America. You've got a better chance of holding onto your life savings on the back streets of Tijuana than a hospital when asprin is $5.
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Old 12-19-2009, 07:05 AM
 
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Newfies are great folks. Canadians talk about them like they're Polish jokes but I can't recall how many wars they started in the last century or two. Any at all???

They tend not to lock their doors in small villages, most everyone knows everyone. Wintertime etiquette a guest may stay for as long as the firewood they brought with them holds out. I kind of like their brand of hospitality, their sense of community, and genuine kindness. Strange why anyone would have a problem with how they're living.

Ovocatto have a blast, and please offer Newfies my apologies for the decade long psychiatric emergency America's had. Perhaps if we could minister some creamed onions Garrison Keilor mentioned...
"""but I can't recall how many wars they started in the last century or two. Any at all??? """


That's what some demented Americans find wrong with them...Some war mongering blood crazed CHRISTIAN Americans think that a country is
"whimpering" if it doesn't slaughter and mutilate on a regular basis.
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