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"War on poverty" Government redistribution programs, like "wellfare" etc. You name it, the government has the program to "save the world", and eliminate poverty.
Still we have poor, and still people on wellfare. The more free stuff the government offers the more takers there are. No surprise. Why work if the government will provide?
Your argument against the church falls kind of flat, I think, does it not?
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NO, my argument doesn't fall flat.
People argue that "the good churches so outwiegh any losses from property taxes".
Yet even in those areas with a high concentration of churches, poverty and welfare still run rampant.
That cancels any credibility in the "good work offsetting tax revenue" argument.
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NO, my argument doesn't fall flat.
People argue that "the good churches so outwiegh any losses from property taxes".
Yet even in those areas with a high concentration of churches, poverty and welfare still run rampant.
That cancels any credibility in the "good work offsetting tax revenue" argument.[/quote]
Churches are not miracle workers and are not in the position to completely eliminate poverty nor are they responsible for poverty conditions. By the way .... Even with all the taxes that our government receives, they are helpless and inept in fighting poverty yet folks still blindly support government waste with more and more of their tax dollars.
Northwet Ordinance (one of our founding documents), Article 3, first line:
Art. 3. Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.
Seems as though a lot of you are out of step with America's founding priciples. No wonder we are in a mess.
Obama once said, that those who made the mess shoud keep silent. Was he talking to liberals?
The Northwest Ordinance was NOT renewed after the ratification of the Bill of Rights.
Know your history before attempting to use it to support revisionist history.
I live in Iowa. We don't have a church on every corner and we have a large catholic population. The church helps the poor, as we see it in the food pantry and shelter. Further, our mission in Venezuala is an orphanage. The church helps people and helps me have faith in life.
I live in Iowa. We don't have a church on every corner and we have a large catholic population. The church helps the poor, as we see it in the food pantry and shelter. Further, our mission in Venezuala is an orphanage. The church helps people and helps me have faith in life.
Does your food pantries and shalters off set the cost of government programs? The costs of government services as well? And are people subjected to prostylizing while utilizing shelters and food pantries?
And your orphanage is no suprise. The children are subjected to Catholic style education, are they not? Indoctrination of the youth at it's finest.
Again, charity attached to an agenda ceases to be charity.
There already is "entanglement" and has been since the invention of health and building codes.
Burger also had close ties with Eisenhower, the POTUS responsible for our current replacement Motto and Pledge, both Christian prayers.
And your attempt to address it was full of your own opinion with zero credibility since you still seem to think you have a right to be free from religion. Nothing anywhere states you have any rights to be free of other people's beliefs. if you want all that then lock yourself in your home, shut off the TV and indulge in your anti-religious reading to your hearts content. You're a very tiny, itsy-bitsy, fraction of the community and should treat yourself as such.
Does your food pantries and shelters off set the cost of government programs? The costs of government services as well? And are people subjected to proselytizing while utilizing shelters and food pantries?
And your orphanage is no surprise. The children are subjected to Catholic style education, are they not? Indoctrination of the youth at it's finest.
Again, charity attached to an agenda ceases to be charity.
LOL. The government has an agenda and forces charity. That charity is called taxation. The default position is the money you make is yours but you're under the assumption it's the governments and they just allow you a small portion.
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The article doesn't explain how the churches are stealing the land. Are they not buying the land? Or do you mean they're somehow appropriating the land as eminent domain through the local governments? If the latter, then I agree completely. I hate the idea of a government stealing private land whether it's to build the next super Wal-Mart or to construct a mega church. Or do you mean they're buying the land (not stealing it), but not paying property taxes on it?
There's truth to this article. A few years back in Rowland Hts, calif, a super wal-mart wanted to build on some land. the deal was expected to be a heavy revenue generator by the city, but was quashed when a local church went to court for ownership of that land.
Here in San Antonio, cornerstone church owns a HUGE property in one of the most exclusive neighborhoods in town (Stone Oak). why did they have to build there? This alone is depriving the City of valuable property taxes, not to mention the revenue from those potential businesses.
Cornerstone was there long before Stone Oak. Stone Oak was the end of the earth in the mid-90's. It's just recently that SA has started growing out that direction.
Your rhetoric doesn't work as well when other folks know about that, huh? Can't quite twist things to sound like you want them to when others are familiar with the area.
And you'll probably never recognize the many millions that Cornerstone GIVES to the community and those in need.
those people that believe that b.s. have thier head under the sand.the only people resposible for this crisis is your government,no one else.put the blame where it belongs and right now is obamba,charity should be left to the churches and not to the government.for those people that have no church or faith for that matter start your own faithless charity. I am sure all those people without faith would like to help those in need also.go out and help people.stop going after the ones doing all the helping.its easy to quarterback from the sideline,get in game!!!!!!
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