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Again, charity attached to an agenda ceases to be charity.
Like government run health care? You really think they're trying to get this passed by bribing Congressmen because they give a d*** about your insurance costs? There are many other ways to fix things without bringing the government in.
You know nothing about the Church or its charities. All you can do is ASSume.
And your attempt to address it was full of your own opinion with zero credibility since you still seem to think you have a right to be free from religion. Nothing anywhere states you have any rights to be free of other people's beliefs. if you want all that then lock yourself in your home, shut off the TV and indulge in your anti-religious reading to your hearts content. You're a very tiny, itsy-bitsy, fraction of the community and should treat yourself as such.
Scuze me, but there can be no freedom OF religion without freedom FROM religion.
That is really a No Brainer.
You killed any and all credibility right there in your first sentance, especially along with your need to incorrectly label me "anti-religion" merely to support your rather narrow-minded world-view.
BTW, the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment states that we all have an inherent right to freedom FROM religion in our government, government institutions, and on our public property.
There is also a freedom FROM a Tyranny of the Majority as well. Christians being the majority religion, for now since your numbers are falling fast in this Nation, does NOT give you some right to impose your religion onto everyone else through our government.
Like government run health care? You really think they're trying to get this passed by bribing Congressmen because they give a d*** about your insurance costs? There are many other ways to fix things without bringing the government in.
You know nothing about the Church or its charities. All you can do is ASSume.
Firstly, I don't support national health care. Fail for you.
Seocndly, I spent years trying to work with church charities, from homeless shelters to food kitchens to collecting and packaging clothes and food to send overseas and more, so Fail for you again.
LOL. The government has an agenda and forces charity. That charity is called taxation. The default position is the money you make is yours but you're under the assumption it's the governments and they just allow you a small portion.
Changing the definitions of words to atempt to spin the argument in your favor is hardly considered to be intelligent, or even witty.
BTW, I am not a liberal, so you can cease the anti-liberal remarks and try to salvage what miniscule amount of credibility you might be able to retain, and actually argue the position.
those people that believe that b.s. have thier head under the sand.the only people resposible for this crisis is your government,no one else.put the blame where it belongs and right now is obamba,charity should be left to the churches and not to the government.for those people that have no church or faith for that matter start your own faithless charity. I am sure all those people without faith would like to help those in need also.go out and help people.stop going after the ones doing all the helping.its easy to quarterback from the sideline,get in game!!!!!!
REAL charities exhist in abundance, thank you, not the false charities run by religious organizations.
Seocndly, I spent years trying to work with church charities, from homeless shelters to food kitchens to collecting and packaging clothes and food to send overseas and more, so Fail for you again.
Then you either know that the Church is responsible for the vast amount of charitable contributions in this country. You're complaining about some "agenda" but the agenda is to help those less fortunate. By GIVING. Which they do.
Cute. The biggest section of that list is those "charities" that are fighting religion. FAIL (as you like to say)
There are a lot of great secular charities. Nobody's denying that, but without the religious based hospitals and charities, this country would be in a world of hurt.
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Scuze me, but there can be no freedom OF religion without freedom FROM religion.
That is really a No Brainer.
You killed any and all credibility right there in your first sentance, especially along with your need to incorrectly label me "anti-religion" merely to support your rather narrow-minded world-view.
BTW, the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment states that we all have an inherent right to freedom FROM religion in our government, government institutions, and on our public property.
There is also a freedom FROM a Tyranny of the Majority as well. Christians being the majority religion, for now since your numbers are falling fast in this Nation, does NOT give you some right to impose your religion onto everyone else through our government.
No one is suggesting that government get involved with the Christian church. Once the government decides to start taxing churches, then they may begin to "regulate" churches, thus entangling governmental affairs with the church. Most of the charity that is provided in this country are affiliated with a church so it really isn't a wise idea to begin advocating that church funding go towards taxes as that would leave MUCH less money for charity. It seems that you have an issue with the Gospel being preached to those who receive charity but tell me exactly how many charities are non-religious based AND does not have some sort of "agenda" attached. How dare you sit up there and criticize churches for wanting to share the Gospel while providing much needed food, shelter and other services within communities and say it is an "agenda" versus "charity". What are YOU and other anti-church folks doing to feed, clothe and shelter the poor aside from paying taxes (which is something that isn't voluntary)? How much of YOUR profits go towards charity?
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Firstly, I don't support national health care. Fail for you.
Seocndly, I spent years trying to work with church charities, from homeless shelters to food kitchens to collecting and packaging clothes and food to send overseas and more, so Fail for you again.
Anything else you'd like to Fail with?
What does "trying to work with church charities..." mean exactly? Advocating that these organizations start paying property taxes is not what I would constitute "trying to work with church charities" as this would deprive them of much needed funding for their operations.
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