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Old 06-14-2010, 09:39 AM
 
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They did not hunt whales before ships were invented, and that was only ten thousand years ago, and even back then they were not suitable for hunting whales. And all the millions of years before that whales lived without human involvement.

Just because humans can kill a species does not meant they should. We don't hunt humans and we frown upon Africans hunting gorillas or chimps or elephants. And why? Because of increased moral awareness among people who lead sophisticated lives.
Actually we don't know exactly when humans first hunted whales. Kind of hard to say anything when nothing was really written down and little other evidence from any given time will ever survive.

I know you're an urban supremacist and think someone who lives completely diconnected from nature is somehow more "sophisticated" but it's incorrect.

And just because some ignorant ethnocentric Europeans think it's bad that Africans hunt animals they've always hunted, doesn't make it bad.

 
Old 06-14-2010, 09:44 AM
 
Location: North America
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Exactly which species of whales are overpopulated? I was under the impression most were either threatened or endangered.
 
Old 06-14-2010, 09:48 AM
 
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Exactly which species of whales are overpopulated? I was under the impression most were either threatened or endangered.
Minke.

Most whales are actually not threatened or endangered.
 
Old 06-14-2010, 09:49 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Whales don't die of starvation, unlike humans they don't have to eat every day or so, on their migrations they often don't eat for weeks or months, which they can survive without any problems.
The food supply in the ocean is pretty stable and so is the reproduction rate among whales.
 
Old 06-14-2010, 09:54 AM
 
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Actually we don't know exactly when humans first hunted whales. Kind of hard to say anything when nothing was really written down and little other evidence from any given time will ever survive.

I know you're an urban supremacist and think someone who lives completely diconnected from nature is somehow more "sophisticated" but it's incorrect.

And just because some ignorant ethnocentric Europeans think it's bad that Africans hunt animals they've always hunted, doesn't make it bad.
Yes we do know, it was not before there were ships, and it is known when those were invented.

Yes indeed, I believe humans should keep evolving and not be living like hunters and gatherers anymore, the stone age is over.

Mostly Africans are paying the price for hunting apes, it gave them and to a lesser extent eventually all humans the HIV virus.
 
Old 06-14-2010, 09:57 AM
 
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Whales don't die of starvation, unlike humans they don't have to eat every day or so, on their migrations they often don't eat for weeks or months, which they can survive without any problems.
The food supply in the ocean is pretty stable and so is the reproduction rate among whales.
http://www.icrwhale.org/pdf/080905BriefingNote.pdf

Actually it's a very real problem for the krill consuming whales.
 
Old 06-14-2010, 10:04 AM
 
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http://www.icrwhale.org/pdf/080905BriefingNote.pdf

Actually it's a very real problem for the krill consuming whales.
Lol, Institute of Cetacean Research - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 06-14-2010, 10:06 AM
 
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Yes we do know, it was not before there were ships, and it is known when those were invented.

Yes indeed, I believe humans should keep evolving and not be living like hunters and gatherers anymore, the stone age is over.

Mostly Africans are paying the price for hunting apes, it gave them and to a lesser extent eventually all humans the HIV virus.
No we don't. We also don't know when boats originated. Large ships are not needed to hunt whales, the most primitive of boats will suffice. They can also be hunted on ice, etc.

As modern cities are not sustainable it's not evolution at all.

But it was risky sexual acts which spread it. Just drinking water can give a person various deadly diseases.
 
Old 06-14-2010, 10:12 AM
 
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Then how about one of the anti-whaling activists' sites for their spin on it? Mass Krill Harvesting Could Lead to Starvation | Whale City
 
Old 06-14-2010, 10:16 AM
 
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No we don't. We also don't know when boats originated. Large ships are not needed to hunt whales, the most primitive of boats will suffice. They can also be hunted on ice, etc.

As modern cities are not sustainable it's not evolution at all.

But it was risky sexual acts which spread it. Just drinking water can give a person various deadly diseases.

Even your fake "research" organization dates the beginning of whaling to only 10k BC, more likely is 6k BC. And even then, they only killed a few whales, not thousands of them. Oftentimes they killed stranded whales.

Actually only urban life prevents a human and environmental catastrophe. A return to rural life, let alone stone-age life style is simply impossible because of the number of humans on earth.

Still, they first got it from apes.
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