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Old 10-01-2014, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Global warming can make it colder.
And hotter and wetter and dryer and can make women pregnant. Just ask Big Al.

 
Old 10-01-2014, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Actually, you loon, Arctic Ice actually has vanished and container ships are sailing right through to Russia without the need for ice-breakers.
Just a word of advice. Personal attacks will get you banned.
 
Old 10-01-2014, 02:19 PM
 
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Climate change is real. Climate change has always been real, since the dawn of time. Climate change is a natural occurring phenomenon.

Man has local effects on the climate, but not global, not even close.
 
Old 10-01-2014, 02:21 PM
 
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Just a word of advice. Personal attacks will get you banned.
One thing I've noticed, some folks get upset when being confronted with facts that run counter to their beliefs.

Even though they are FACTS.
 
Old 10-01-2014, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Climate change is real. Climate change has always been real, since the dawn of time. Climate change is a natural occurring phenomenon.

Man has local effects on the climate, but not global, not even close.
Show me your evidence that CO2 stays locally. (It has been known since 1896 that CO2 increases will increase global temperatures)

Svante Arrhenius (1859-1927) was a Swedish scientist that was the first to claim in 1896 that fossil fuel combustion may eventually result in enhanced global warming. He proposed a relation between atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations and temperature. He found that the average surface temperature of the earth is about 15C because of the infrared absorption capacity of water vapor and carbon dioxide.

Arrhenius suggested a doubling of the CO2 concentration would lead to a 5C temperature rise. He and Thomas Chamberlin calculated that human activities could warm the earth by adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere.

In the 1940's there were developments in infrared spectroscopy for measuring long-wave radiation. At that time it was proven that increasing the amount of atmospheric carbon dioxide resulted in more absorption of infrared radiation. It was also discovered that water vapor absorbed totally different types of radiation than carbon dioxide. Gilbert Plass summarized these results in 1955. He concluded that adding more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere would intercept infrared radiation that is otherwise lost to space, warming the earth. History of the greenhouse effect and global warming
 
Old 10-01-2014, 02:35 PM
 
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Show me your evidence that CO2 stays locally. (It has been known since 1896 that CO2 increases will increase global temperatures)

Svante Arrhenius (1859-1927) was a Swedish scientist that was the first to claim in 1896 that fossil fuel combustion may eventually result in enhanced global warming. He proposed a relation between atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations and temperature. He found that the average surface temperature of the earth is about 15C because of the infrared absorption capacity of water vapor and carbon dioxide.

Arrhenius suggested a doubling of the CO2 concentration would lead to a 5C temperature rise. He and Thomas Chamberlin calculated that human activities could warm the earth by adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere.

In the 1940's there were developments in infrared spectroscopy for measuring long-wave radiation. At that time it was proven that increasing the amount of atmospheric carbon dioxide resulted in more absorption of infrared radiation. It was also discovered that water vapor absorbed totally different types of radiation than carbon dioxide. Gilbert Plass summarized these results in 1955. He concluded that adding more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere would intercept infrared radiation that is otherwise lost to space, warming the earth. History of the greenhouse effect and global warming
Do some research on the amounts of "greenhouse" gasses (if those even exist) that they are discovering are being emitted from under ocean venting. Vast amounts of methane, CO2, H2S and other gasses are being pumped out and filtering into the air through the oceans.

Something that your heroes in the AGW Community are probably not reporting. What man produces? Small potatoes compared to that.
 
Old 10-01-2014, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Do what about a natural occurrence?

See the earth heats and cools periodically.

It has not been proven man causes climate change. And more than likely, if never will.
Tsunami's are a natural occurrence. Why have escape routes and drills and why build sea-walls and early warning systems. Earthquakes are natural. Why spend millions to reinforce buildings, why educate and train seismologists and Civil Engineers to try and save lives? All disease (except most Cancer) is natural. Why fight them? Why develop vaccines? I call BS on that line of argument vis-a-vis Climate Change. A sentient, technologically advanced civilization does go all fatalist in the face of a problem like Climate Change. Cancer and the unfathomable bio-chemistry of it all is a much more insoluble problem and we have people going after it because that's what an intelligent species does. The problem of Climate Change is a simple one and the premise of reducing fossil fuel use and greenhouse gas emission is dead easy to accomplish compared to something like cold fusion or artificial intelligence. The fact that the most profitable entities on this planet earth are oil companies is the reason we are ignoring the evidence of our eyes, ears and noses and is the reason that a small percent of the worlds population are unconcerned about the relatively soon extinction of humanity. Profit. Wealth. Greed. That's it. That's all that's between humanity and survival. So sad...

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Old 10-01-2014, 02:47 PM
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Location: Suburban Dallas
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Repeat after me, everybody:

There is no global warming.

There is no global warming.

There is no global warming.

There is no global warming....
 
Old 10-01-2014, 02:52 PM
 
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(It has been known since 1896 that CO2 increases will increase global temperatures)
It's known that too much CO2 in your lungs can kill you.

You better stop breathing, because you're inhaling CO2 with each breath.

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Repeat after me, everybody:

There is no global warming.

There is no global warming.

There is no global warming.

There is no global warming....
Everyone believes the globe has warmed and cooled. The disagreement is on the impact of man.
 
Old 10-01-2014, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Do some research on the amounts of "greenhouse" gasses (if those even exist) that they are discovering are being emitted from under ocean venting. Vast amounts of methane, CO2, H2S and other gasses are being pumped out and filtering into the air through the oceans.

Something that your heroes in the AGW Community are probably not reporting. What man produces? Small potatoes compared to that.
Of course science is taking natural greenhouse gasses into account, but here is the problem. Since the industrial age began human activity has been emitting more greenhouse gases than the natural carbon sinks can absorb.

First-ever 'State Of The Carbon Cycle Report' Finds Troubling Imbalance -- ScienceDaily
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