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IQ scores of individuals do not statistically change with age. The IQ score that a 7 year old receives would theoretically be the same one that same person would receive at say age 50. I would tend to think that this study is somehow flawed. Maybe they are taking the overall black IQ average of highschoolers and then comparing that to the average IQ of black college graduates (which would in and of itself filter out some of the lower IQ blacks in the study). Has this been peer-reviewed?
This study is absolutely flawed and ridiculous. Lets look at the facts really quickly. The only group of people we are dealing with are college graduates. It isn't discussing that each individual college graduate increases their IQ while in college. What it is really saying is that the average IQ score of a college graduate is quite a bit higher than someone who is not a college graduate, this increase is four times higher for blacks than whites. Secondly, it says that basically the black college graduates still have an iq score 8 points lower than a white college graduate.
According to this chart 90.1% of all whites complete high school, 81.5% of all blacks complete high school. Which is not a huge statistical difference.
57.2% of all whites have been to college in any capacity, but only 44.2% of all blacks have been to college. The difference is growing but still a fairly small difference.
30.5% of all whites have a Bachelors degree of higher, but only 17.7% of all blacks have a Bachelors degree or higher. This widens the difference to almost two to one.
7.7% of all whites have a Master's, but only 4% of all blacks have a Master's. The gap widens even further.
3.1% of all whites have a Doctorate, but only 1.2% of all blacks have a Doctorate. Which puts the difference at almost 3 to 1 for the highest education bracket.
The black college graduation rate is about 43%, the white graduation rate is 63%. Which of course is why whites hold a highly disproportionate amount of college degrees.
So what causes this disparity, is it genetics or environmental? Well lets look at SAT scores and ACT scores.
The average white SAT score is 1063, the average black SAT score is 857. The average white ACT score is 21.7, the average black ACT score is 16.9. The difference in SAT and ACT scores between each race is around 20%. Compare that to white IQ's of 100 and black IQ's of 85, definitely starting to make sense.
So lets go back to the point of this article. It was saying that the IQ gap of white and black college GRADUATES is only 7-8 IQ points. But the IQ gap between white and black non-college graduates is 15 IQ points.
What this means is, the college education system weeds out a large percentage of people with low IQ's. But does it weed out all of them?
Well lets look at some numbers really quickly. If the average white IQ is 100, and the average black IQ is 85. And if whites who graduate from college have an increase of 1/4th the increase of that of black college graduates, and the eventual difference is 8 iq points. Then its plain to see that the average white college IQ score is probably around 102.3(an increase of 2.3 IQ points), and the average black college graduate IQ is around 94.2(an increase of 9.2 IQ points, which is 2.3 x 4).
So if whites need an IQ of 102 to graduate from college, then why is it that blacks can graduate from college with an IQ of only 94? Well that is pretty plain to see if you look at the constant lobbying for affirmative action, all black colleges, black scholarship funds/charities.
1. An Asian American with a GPA of 2.8 to 2.99 and a MCAT score of 36 to 38 has a 36.8% chance of being admitted to a U.S. medical school.
2. A White with a GPA of 2.8 to 2.99 and a MCAT score of 36 to 38 has a 40.7% chance of being admitted to a U.S. medical school.
3. An African American with a GPA of 2.8 to 2.99 and a MCAT score of 36 to 38 has a 100% chance of being admitted to a U.S. medical school.
And if you want to see the absolute gross inequality of education in this country that so favors black students, look at this article.
And many governmental agencies are tired of having to deal with the constant discrimination suits because they have an entrace exam. So in Chicago, they are thinking about scrapping the exam since minorities can't pass it. Police May Scrap Entrance Exam: Report | NBC Chicago
This country makes me sick.
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This study is absolutely flawed and ridiculous. Lets look at the facts really quickly. The only group of people we are dealing with are college graduates. It isn't discussing that each individual college graduate increases their IQ while in college. What it is really saying is that the average IQ score of a college graduate is quite a bit higher than someone who is not a college graduate, this increase is four times higher for blacks than whites. Secondly, it says that basically the black college graduates still have an iq score 8 points lower than a white college graduate.
According to this chart 90.1% of all whites complete high school, 81.5% of all blacks complete high school. Which is not a huge statistical difference.
57.2% of all whites have been to college in any capacity, but only 44.2% of all blacks have been to college. The difference is growing but still a fairly small difference.
30.5% of all whites have a Bachelors degree of higher, but only 17.7% of all blacks have a Bachelors degree or higher. This widens the difference to almost two to one.
7.7% of all whites have a Master's, but only 4% of all blacks have a Master's. The gap widens even further.
3.1% of all whites have a Doctorate, but only 1.2% of all blacks have a Doctorate. Which puts the difference at almost 3 to 1 for the highest education bracket.
The black college graduation rate is about 43%, the white graduation rate is 63%. Which of course is why whites hold a highly disproportionate amount of college degrees.
So what causes this disparity, is it genetics or environmental? Well lets look at SAT scores and ACT scores.
The average white SAT score is 1063, the average black SAT score is 857. The average white ACT score is 21.7, the average black ACT score is 16.9. The difference in SAT and ACT scores between each race is around 20%. Compare that to white IQ's of 100 and black IQ's of 85, definitely starting to make sense.
So lets go back to the point of this article. It was saying that the IQ gap of white and black college GRADUATES is only 7-8 IQ points. But the IQ gap between white and black non-college graduates is 15 IQ points.
What this means is, the college education system weeds out a large percentage of people with low IQ's. But does it weed out all of them?
Well lets look at some numbers really quickly. If the average white IQ is 100, and the average black IQ is 85. And if whites who graduate from college have an increase of 1/4th the increase of that of black college graduates, and the eventual difference is 8 iq points. Then its plain to see that the average white college IQ score is probably around 102.3(an increase of 2.3 IQ points), and the average black college graduate IQ is around 94.2(an increase of 9.2 IQ points, which is 2.3 x 4).
So if whites need an IQ of 102 to graduate from college, then why is it that blacks can graduate from college with an IQ of only 94? Well that is pretty plain to see if you look at the constant lobbying for affirmative action, all black colleges, black scholarship funds/charities.
And many governmental agencies are tired of having to deal with the constant discrimination suits because they have an entrace exam. So in Chicago, they are thinking about scrapping the exam since minorities can't pass it. Police May Scrap Entrance Exam: Report | NBC Chicago
This country makes me sick.
Very well stated, and good stats to back it up. Two thumbs up.
The advances incorporated into Boykin's resistor meant many electronic devices could be made more cheaply, including consumer goods and military equipment, and with greater reliability than provided by earlier options. His resistor was quickly incorporated into a number of products, including guided missiles and IBM computers, in the United States and overseas. In addition, a version of his resistor made possible the precise regulation necessary for the success of the pacemaker, which has helped to save and lengthen the lives of thousands of men and women around the world.
Where does the inventions an innovations coming from Black inventors fit into this? Black inventors like Otis Boykin above show that Blacks have the cognitive abilities to invent and innovate on a high level like anyone else.
Where does the inventions an innovations coming from Black inventors fit into this? Black inventors like Otis Boykin above show that Blacks have the cognitive abilities to invent and innovate on a high level like anyone else.
I think you are looking at the situation in the wrong way. No one is saying that blacks or mexicans or any other groups don't have the capacity to be intelligent, its just that the probability is much lower.
"There is considerable overlap between more intelligent blacks and less intelligent whites; some blacks are clearly smarter than some whites. Egalitarians seize on this fact to discount the entire notion of racial differences but this is as absurd as claiming that because some women are taller than some men, the average man is no taller than the average woman.
Despite overlapping intelligence distributions, only 16 percent of blacks have IQs of more than 100, the white average. Whites are six to eight times more likely to have scores in the “gifted” range of 135 and higher, whereas blacks are six to eight times more likely to have scores in the “retarded” range of 70 or lower. At the very highest, genius level IQ scores, blacks are hardly to be found at all. "
Blah, blah, blah. It's the same tired arguments we've heard time and time again on these forums -- you know, blacks are supposedly less intelligent because their brains are wired differently, and they just have this genetic propensity to be intellectually inferior to whites.
The proponents of these Eugenic arguments continue to ignore ongoing scientific findings that highlight the meaninglessness of contemporary racial categorizations -- that essentially, two people from the same "race" have the inclination to be as genetically dissimilar as two people from different "races".
In other words, racial categorizations and so-called genetic differences are useless in forming a hypothesis as to explaining the black/white disparity on conventional IQ tests. Hell, they're useless period.
Yet, people refuse to listen -- instead, holding steadfast to their own warped, outdated, racist viewpoints, as opposed to standing back and looking at the data from a scientific, non-biased perspective.
Politics has no use in issues concerning social issues.
The reason black children score lower on conventional IQ tests and typically are not as prepared for the rigors of college curriculum as compared to their white counterparts is because black children disproportionately attend inferior schools in economically depressed areas.
I mean, duh. What do you really expect? Of course, on average, blacks will perform at lower rates.
That doesn't negate the fact that there were a number of high-achieving black students at my very own highschool, which consistantly ranks within the top 100 in the United States, who went on to great colleges, and performed quite well. I'm proud to say I'm one of those students who defied this racist mantra.
Of course, many people who continue to believe the "genetic" propensity argument are quick to point out that, yes, in fact, there are intelligent black people, but they're just harder to find and rarer.
And to that, I say, have you ever not visited the southern and Appalachian United States? The number of mind-blowingly dumb white people there is quite frankly, alarming. Yet, as always, white people are given a pass -- lets ignore the ills of white America and find a convenient scapegoat to chastise -- you know, the "scum" of America -- the blacks.
And as someone who considers an IQ of 100 to be borderline retarded, I really question all this black/white achievement talk when it is the US which has historically lagged countries like Japan and Germany in scholastic achievement, and continues to lose ground every year.
Seems to me like the priorities are all wrong.
Anyway, this thread and the many like it prove racism is still alive and well in this country.
.....And many governmental agencies are tired of having to deal with the constant discrimination suits because they have an entrace exam. So in Chicago, they are thinking about scrapping the exam since minorities can't pass it.
This country makes me sick.
And did this country also not make you sick through its institutionalized, systematic forms of racism and bigotry for centuries, aimed specifically at blacks, which sought to keep them disenfranchised and otherwise marginalized?
Did it not make you sick that up until the 1970's, there were often deeds in the nations best school districts that specifically excluded blacks from owning property there, thus making it impossible for black children to get a quality education?
Does it not make you sick that George W. Bush, a man who is not intelligent by anyone's standards, can become US President (while skirting through Yale as a proud C student) because of his own families white privileges?
Does it not make you sick that this man, for eight years, can stand in front of the world and represent the United States of America, supposedly the biggest, baddest country on Earth and make the simplest of grammatical mistakes, highlighting his own verbal incompetance?
Yet, no one used Bush's incoherent ramblings as an example of the ills of redneck white culture, despite the fact that it is true that a sizeable majority of rural whites speak in a similar fashion to Mr. Bush. In fact, it is also true among many whites that Bush's public speaking gaffes became an ongoing joke, often championed -- that in essence, his inability to master the English language made him more down to Earth. One of the guys.
Yet, we all know if Obama spoke as Bush did, people would be quick to point out how inarticulate blacks are.
Do you not see the double standard? In this country, historically, white people have been favored and thus given a tremendous amount of privilege to the detriment of black people, who historically have been denied privilege. It should come as no surprise that those who are privileged will perform better -- they do after all have a set of advantages; a head start, if you will.
The abovementioned points are just a few examples of many, but if you see nothing wrong with the reality of white privilege and the notion of white supremacy as to how it is deeply interwoven into the collective American psyche, then you are short sighted and probably a bigot.
And did this country also not make you sick through its institutionalized, systematic forms of racism and bigotry for centuries, aimed specifically at blacks, which sought to keep them disenfranchised and otherwise marginalized?
Did it not make you sick that up until the 1970's, there were often deeds in the nations best school districts that specifically excluded blacks from owning property there, thus making it impossible for black children to get a quality education?
Does it not make you sick that George W. Bush, a man who is not intelligent by anyone's standards, can become US President (while skirting through Yale as a proud C student) because of his own families white privileges?
Does it not make you sick that this man, for eight years, can stand in front of the world and represent the United States of America, supposedly the biggest, baddest country on Earth and make the simplest of grammatical mistakes, highlighting his own verbal incompetance?
Yet, no one used Bush's incoherent ramblings as an example of the ills of redneck white culture, despite the fact that it is true that a sizeable majority of rural whites speak in a similar fashion to Mr. Bush. In fact, it is also true among many whites that Bush's public speaking gaffes became an ongoing joke, often championed -- that in essence, his inability to master the English language made him more down to Earth. One of the guys.
Yet, we all know if Obama spoke as Bush did, people would be quick to point out how inarticulate blacks are.
Do you not see the double standard?
These are just a few examples of many, but if you see nothing wrong with the reality of white privilege and the notion of white supremacy as to how it is deeply interwoven into the collective American psyche, then you are short sighted and probably a bigot.
I live the double standard everyday as white male in liberal america. So I can relate to the racism that is directed at me.
I think you are looking at the situation in the wrong way. No one is saying that blacks or mexicans or any other groups don't have the capacity to be intelligent, its just that the probability is much lower.
"There is considerable overlap between more intelligent blacks and less intelligent whites; some blacks are clearly smarter than some whites. Egalitarians seize on this fact to discount the entire notion of racial differences but this is as absurd as claiming that because some women are taller than some men, the average man is no taller than the average woman.
Despite overlapping intelligence distributions, only 16 percent of blacks have IQs of more than 100, the white average. Whites are six to eight times more likely to have scores in the “gifted” range of 135 and higher, whereas blacks are six to eight times more likely to have scores in the “retarded” range of 70 or lower. At the very highest, genius level IQ scores, blacks are hardly to be found at all. "
We believe what we want to believe, and there's always data to corroborate whatever point we feel validates our beliefs, but the fact of the matter is that comparing numbers to numbers, the amount of below average intelligence white people FAR outnumbers the number of below average intelligence black people.
This is because of course, that whites make up roughly 70% of the US population relative to blacks 13%.
I gave some examples as to why the scholastic acheivement gap exists between blacks and whites in the above posts, and provided a more detailed hypothesis in previous posts.
But the real issue here is that, if whites do in fact account for a larger percentage of people with below average intelligence, and since people with below average intelligence also are disproportionately economically disadvantaged, then they must be a greater burden on social programs which seek to assist the poor.
So who cares about blacks, because it is in fact poor whites who have a greater dependance on the "system" and continue to deplete its resources at a greater rate relative to blacks.
I live the double standard everyday as white male in liberal america. So I can relate to the racism that is directed at me.
Another hilarious argument.
Care to provide any examples of day-to-day racism you experience as a white male?
So, let me ask you then, if there is so much "racism" directed at you as a white male, would you rather be black instead? I mean, if there are SO many advantages to being a black male in America, if there was a magical pill you could take to become black tomorrow, would you take it?
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