Republican Voodoo....Tea Party Zombies (drug, health care, premium, Obama)

[Sunny-Days-in-Florida]

Originally Posted by dcsldcd

You really have to wonder what is wrong with the liberals fighting for this health care bill. The people fighting against it arefighting against a bill that must be so bad the Democrats and hussein obama are hiding it from view. It makes perfect sense to fight against something like that and then we have the left fighting tooth and nail for something that have not seen, cannot see and have no idea what they are fighting for. Is that just plain nuts or what?

They do not care what is in it or how much it cost.

They only want it to pass so they can FINALLY say that this failure Presidunce accomplished something.

They know in their heart this bill is a total pork filled POS, but they dont care.

Like they love their controlling ways, they crave something to pass so they can jump up and down for the first time in a year!

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by calipoppy

That is simply not true. You are referring to simple medical issues that can be addressed in an emergency room.

Try having stage 4 cancer (or a severe heart condition or any other major health issue) and being denied critical procedures by your insurance company or having your policy cancelled altogether. You can't just pick up and go to another insurance company because you would be denied a policy due to pre-existing conditions.

Why can't the Republican party work together with the Democrats for a solution that benefits ALL of us? Why is it more important to stonewall for the sake of the party than to pass legislation that will benefit the people?

Instead of chanting that the country is moving in the wrong direction why not help to move the country in the right direction by working in a bipartisan manner? The Republican party had eight years in the White House with very little accomplished, why not take this opportunity to work for a better America?

You're seriously asking these questions? You wonder why the Republicans can't help find a solution? Why they aren't bipartisan?

You DO know that the Dems have cut them out of each and every discussion. The fact that they keep saying it's bipartisan, and that the Republicans were involved doesn't change the truth. Each and every step was exclusive of Republicans. Oh wait, unless you count the ones that sold their vote.

[dcsldcd]

Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90

They do not care what is in it or how much it cost.

They only want it to pass so they can FINALLY say that this failure Presidunce accomplished something.

They know in their heart this bill is a total pork filled POS, but they dont care.

Like they love their controlling ways, they crave something to pass so they can jump up and down for the first time in a year!

Very true and they know their future is totally gone if they have to bare all the responsibility.

[ozzie679]

Originally Posted by calipoppy

I'm waiting for the Republicans to offer altenative solutions instead of simply shooting down those of the opposition.

The Republican solution is to have a "final solution" for any and all Democrat proposals. Their leadership has no problem telling us that they want to break the president. It's all political gamesmanship. The public is not invited to play, but they will plot and lie to get our votes.

[dcsldcd]

Originally Posted by ozzie679

The Republican solution is to have a "final solution" for any and all Democrat proposals. Their leadership has no problem telling us that they want to break the president. It's all political gamesmanship. The public is not invited to play, but they will plot and lie to get our votes.

You know that would work if the Democrats included the Republicans and they were able to show they were working against everything. As it is the Democrats are saying the Republicans are working against everything when they are included in nothing. Anyone with half a brain should demand their representitive fight against something that is being crafted behind closed doors because it is so bad.

[nononsenseguy]

Originally Posted by calipoppy

I'm waiting for the Republicans to offer altenative solutions instead of simply shooting down those of the opposition.

They have. But you haven't heard of them, because their solutions are rarely, if ever, mentioned in the mainstream media, and they have been silenced in Congress. They have been shut out of all debate (there hasn't even really been any debate on "health care" — the Democrats (Progressives) are just ramming it down our throats. They don't care what anyone else thinks, least of all the Republicans.

Is that the way our "Republic" is supposed to operate?

Originally Posted by calipoppy

The Republicans have a vested interest in keeping the majority of Americans in a health care system that is broken (its called campaign donations by the insurance companies and health care moguls).

Really? And what do you think is "broken" about America's health care system, which is second to none in the world? Why are foreigners coming here for needed surgery and treatment if our system is "broken"?

Polls show that the vast majority of Americans are happy with their current health care. Are you going to argue that they aren't? Have you done a poll of your own?

What is the dollar figure of donations from insurance companies that go to Republicans? What is the dollar figure of donations from insurance companies that go to Democrats? Do you even know? It might help your argument.

Originally Posted by calipoppy

It is a very curious thing that the Republican party has convinced many people who themselves desperately need affordable access to healthcare that medical care for ALL Americans is not a right, its socialism?

It is not a right. Can you prove that it is? It is a good thing to have; but, it costs money. For something to be a "right", it must not require that someone else pay for it (i.e., other taxpayers). You do not have a "right" to have free health care. You also do not have a right to "own a home". You may buy a home. But you must be able to afford it. You do have a right to buy a home (if you have the money to pay for it).

Originally Posted by calipoppy

So this begs the question: do these people believe that calling 911 and having the police/paramedics/firefighters show up is socialism? Is having access to public schools socialism?

Schools are still, to a large extent, locally controlled. People vote locally on school issues, including bond issues. Police/fire/and paramedics are basic services. In many communities, they are still volunteer. Fire fighting equipment must be purchased. Bond issues are used for the purpose. This isn't what I call socialism.

Forced government run health insurance is another matter.

What sort of voodoo hex has the Republican party placed on the [MOD CUT/language] zombies?[/quote]

I would ask you: What sort of "voodoo hex" (voodoo economics) is the Democrat Party trying to sell us?

Zombies? The zombies are those who will let government do whatever it pleases. Our system, however, the system that our founders established, was for the citizens to be the ultimate watchdogs, doing exactly what the people are doing, becoming citizen activists, organizing, and making their voices heard.

Unfortunately, our Democrat representatives are no longer listening to those who elected them. They are acting on their own, pushing an agenda that the citizens don't want. They think they know best. This is called "tyranny".

We may be facing another civil war. If that's what it takes.

[nononsenseguy]

Originally Posted by twista6002

Some people just like to get their teabag on. Giggity giggity giggity

Now what, exactly, does this mean?

[nononsenseguy]

Originally Posted by Mike from back east

That's often the way DC works. I recall Cheney's still-secret closed door sessions with the oil barons early in 2001...

Cheney wasn't in the Congress.

What do you think they were working on, in those sessions? How to jack up the price of oil?

Haliburton. Haliburton. Haliburton. Big oil. Big oil. Big oil.

[nononsenseguy]

Originally Posted by joejitsu

Its ok for republicans to engage in this type of behavior. At least thats what the Bush apologist on this board seem to think.

Can you tell me a time when Republicans have had closed door meetings and shut out Democrats? Can you tell me a time when Republicans have not allowed open debate?

I cannot remember such a time. Perhaps you can refresh my memory.

I seem to recall Republicans and their "power sharing", which, thanks to Trent Lott, worked to their disadvantage.

Republicans have been all too fair. They have not learned that when they are the majority party, they must act like it, and wield their power (like the Democrats do).

[calipoppy]

Originally Posted by calipoppy

I'm waiting for the Republicans to offer altenative solutions instead of simply shooting down those of the opposition.

The Republicans have a vested interest in keeping the majority of Americans in a healthcare system that is broken (its called campaign donations by the insurance companies and healthcare moguls)

It is a very curious thing that the Republican party has convinced many people who themselves desperately need affordable access to healthcare that medical care for ALL Americans is not a right, its socialism?

So this begs the question: do these people believe that calling 911 and having the police/paramedics/firefighters show up is socialism? Is having access to public schools socialism?

What sort of voodoo hex has the Republican party placed on the [MOD CUT/language] zombies?

For the sake of "fairness" I find it rather odd that I am censored for using an alternative (if perhaps derogatory yet widely used on CD) term for the Tea Pary Movement and yet the many alternative (and very derogatory and disrespectful) names that are used in place of our President Barack Obama go uncensored. Just a thought...