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Old 02-04-2010, 02:32 PM
 
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
So it's not so much of "...look what I did" campaigning. It's more like "..look how bad the Republicans are".

IMO one should campaign on their own merits, not by pointed fingers and barbs to the contender.

Obama prescribes election plan to Democrats: Lead - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100204/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama - broken link)

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"In a blunt election prescription for his own skittish party, President Barack Obama on Wednesday implored Democratic leaders to swing big, be honest with an angry public and expose any obstructionism by Republicans.
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Let policy be our politics, Obama told the senators, and make sure everyone knows about petty acts by the opposition."
This is hysterical given the fact Repubs have not even been able to be obstructionist. Obamacrats have been the majority in both the Senate and the Congress. Why haven't Obamacrats gotten anything accomplished being the majority in both houses?
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Old 02-04-2010, 02:47 PM
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Location: Suburban Dallas
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
So it's not so much of "...look what I did" campaigning. It's more like "..look how bad the Republicans are".

IMO one should campaign on their own merits, not by pointed fingers and barbs to the contender.

Obama prescribes election plan to Democrats: Lead - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100204/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama - broken link)

snippet:

"In a blunt election prescription for his own skittish party, President Barack Obama on Wednesday implored Democratic leaders to swing big, be honest with an angry public and expose any obstructionism by Republicans.
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Let policy be our politics, Obama told the senators, and make sure everyone knows about petty acts by the opposition."

Wait until he has a Republican majority in the House and Senate at the end of this year. Let's then see how bitter he really gets.
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Old 02-04-2010, 03:35 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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It doesn't make sense as far as paying down debt, but it does make sense in the realm of jumpstarting the economy.

While Obama has mentioned that he's concerned about the debt, he's ALSO made it clear that priority one is getting the economy moving again.

The Republicans have, in the meantime, criticized him for the massive defecit, while screaming that they want MORE TAX CUTS MORE TAX CUTS MORE TAX CUTS!!!

So from what I can tell, Obama is at least making some sense whereas the Republicans want their cake and be able to eat it too on this one....
You did not answer my question.

You criticized me for saying we need to give 96% of us tax cuts but then forgot that was Obama who said 95% of us would be getting them.

So how is Obama going to pay down the debt by giving 95% of us tax cuts like he promised?

They just raised the debt ceiling again today.

They are spending us into bankruptcy.


Jim Demint just put out a new bill that will toss the dems a new bone.
It will be a bill that forces us to have a balanced budget. Lets see who signs onto it and who does not.

He just put the dems on call. The ball will be in their court now. Lets see how they react.

By they way, word is today is that 50% of all Americans believe Obamas fake spending freeze is a total lie and gimmick.
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Old 02-04-2010, 03:53 PM
 
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The Republicans do this in every election. Their focus is always on how bad the other person is. Did you pay attention during the last presidential campaign? It doesn't stop there though. Anytime a Democrat is in office, they spend the entire term bashing, smearing and blocking everything. Does your rule only apply to democrats because it goes both ways.
I'm not even a Dem but this is very true. Obama's campaign focused on America's profound belief in the future while the the GOP used every single fear tactic known.
Obama is going to take your guns away.
Obama is a secret Muslim.
Obama is a terrorist sympathizer.
Obama is a Socialist.
Obama wasn't born in America.
Obama is black.
Obama is going to raise your taxes (which he still hasn't done)

The GOP should be renamed as the party of fear! Hey it worked for Hitler!
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Old 02-04-2010, 04:03 PM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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When a person starts telling me how bad the other person is, I look to see why that person has nothing positive to say about what he will do. Obama never told how he was going to fix anything, he just said he was going to change things. I warned the posters on here at that time that sometimes one goes from the frying pan into the fire when they start changing and you have better ask him what the change is that he is planning.

Unless I see a gigantic change in the Democratic party toward the right way of doing things and obeying the constitution instead of babysitting the people of America and spoon feeding them and telling them the government should be responsible for everything, I will probably never vote for another Democrat.

So throw all the mud you want to Democrats but I won't be listening just as I listen to nothing Obama says right now. His creditability is "Gone With the Wind."

Miamibob, this Republican is not taking the bait and starting to hash out things the congress should have done and if we get enough Republicans elected this president could still be impeached for his lack of loyalty to our country. We don't need a president that goes overseas and aids our enemies by bad mouthing our country. Our president is supposed to put the people in our country first.

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Old 02-04-2010, 04:17 PM
 
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^ NCN I never heard Obama say he was going to fix everything. The issue has become that the GOP has refused in unison to vote against everything he has proposed and that is not leadership but absolute pettiness.
It really has nothing to do with Obama but just politics. I'm amazed that all of a sudden Conservatives are worried about Government spending!
Where were these "tea bag" idiots when Dubya was spending billions in Iraq on a monthly basis?
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Old 02-04-2010, 04:17 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It's a funny thing about income taxes. If you match up income taxes paid with share of wealth owned, you get virtually the same curve all the way along the income scale.
You think you can fool people, but that's not going to fly here on C-D as long as some of us are willing to tell the truth and expose your lies.

We do not have a wealth tax, we have an income tax. Why is that? Because wealth is what has been accumulated over the years by investing income that has already been taxed, or will be taxed when withdrawn from tax-deferred investments.

Here are the percentages of individual tax revenue paid compared to the percentages of income earned. It is NOT the same curve all along the income scale:

top 1% - earn 22.83% of the income - pay 40.42% of the taxes
top 2-5% - earn 14.62% of the income - pay 20.20% of the taxes
top 5% - earn 37.44% of the income - pay 60.63% of the taxes
top 6-10% - earn 10.61% of the income - pay 10.59% of the taxes
top 10% - earn 48.05% of the income - pay 71.22% of the taxes
top 25% - earn 68.71% of the income - pay 86.59% of the taxes
top 50% - earn 87.74% of the income - pay 97.11% of the taxes
bottom 50% - earn 12.26% of the income - pay 2.89% of the taxes
Table 1 here:
The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data

Note: the top 1% pays nearly twice the percentage of taxes compared to their share of income, while the bottom 50% pays less than 1/4 the percentage of taxes compared to their share of income.

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Republicans don't want you to think about that, though. They want you to think that wealthy people are being soaked somehow.
What other way can you look at it when one group earns 22.83% of the income but pays 40.42%, nearly TWICE their income percentage, of the taxes?

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By the way, you definitely don't want to talk about ALL taxes. Things like payroll and federal excise taxes fall disproportionately on the poor. State and local taxes also.
Wow... what a concept... they actually have to pay into a system they use. Imagine that. Equal treatment under the law. Is that an unknown concept to Dems?
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Old 02-04-2010, 06:51 PM
 
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I have wondered ever since Obama came out with his payroll taxes claim just what kind that is. Could you explain to me what they are? I have always considered payroll taxes to be income withholding, SS, and Medicare. Are their others that weren't there when I stopped being in the withholding group? From your talk about excise taxes, I see that you don't believe they should be the same for everybody. When will the present Democrat controlled Congress do something about that? You know like make them progressive determined by how much money the person has. Really what do you people mean when you say withholding taxes? Do you know that SS tax rates are set by law? How about the Medicare taxes. Aren't they done according to law and rules the IRS follows. I know you know that SS taxes are determined by law and didn't Congress set them?
Sorry the lingo baffles you so. Perhaps that's what you get when all your learning comes from a failed uneducated shock jock.
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I'm not even a Dem but this is very true. Obama's campaign focused on America's profound belief in the future while the the GOP used every single fear tactic known.
Obama is going to take your guns away.
Obama is a secret Muslim.
Obama is a terrorist sympathizer.
Obama is a Socialist.
Obama wasn't born in America.
Obama is black.
Obama is going to raise your taxes (which he still hasn't done)

The GOP should be renamed as the party of fear! Hey it worked for Hitler!
And that "fear tactic" kept the Democratic Senate and Democratic House from passing bills ? ROFL...nice try but fearing the public did little to nothing to Congress who ignores their constituents.
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Old 02-04-2010, 07:58 PM
 
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So, I ask you the same question.
Even if he did give us all a tax cut, (which he did not) why aren't you asking him how is 95% tax cut would pay down the debt.
Do you keep up with anything other than the latest updates to the right-wing phrase-book? Since no later than April 1 of last year, less money has been taken out of your paycheck for federal income tax withholding. That was the result of the Make Work Pay tax credit which sliced $400 directly off your tax bill for 2009 and will do the same thing again in 2010. Of course, in the unlikely event that you made more than $95K ($190K for a couple), you wouldn't get to keep that credit. You'd have to pay it back. That would make it an interest-free loan from the government. But otherwise, you are up $400 for each year, period. Or maybe you were able to use the expanded child care credit or the new college tuition credit. Or perhaps the homebuyer or home energy credits? How about the deduction for sales tax on car purchases? And as an added bonus, President Obama has arranged it so that you won't have to pay any of the awful taxes that those mean Republicans wanted everyone earning less than $250K to start paying in 2011. But still, maybe none of these things ultimately helped you out at all. That would simply mean that you were part of the 5% that isn't the 95%.

Moving right along, exactly who has this cockamamie notion of paying down the public debt? Are Republicans advocating that? No, they aren't. Nobody is. It will never happen. Ever. So why do you even suggest it? Are you really that naive over the situation or is there another explanation?
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