Vote on your fav Obama bow!! :)

[Robinstyler]

Originally Posted by Oakland City

Not one mention of the US's globalization driven foreign policy that is a huge reason why people do not like us in your post, you just enjoy placing the blame on others. So no, there is nothing to to rebut.

So, you disagree. That's fine.

I had to learn about your wife and be insulted that I don't travel just for you to get THAT point across? Ridiculous!

[Robinstyler]

Many cultures that hate Americans do so because we are renegades with no culture or beliefs that we stand by. We have no pride or honor as a unit of people.

We are free and America thought of as Satan comes from this. We live and thrive in unrestricted sin according to the stricter cultures. Stricter cultures hold on to ceremony and tradition and our America mocks this in her own people.

The misinformed and untraveled perpetuate this by attempting to embrace them and patronize them with talk and condescension. The strict cultures have no respect for this act. We look like "clown shoes" to them. Fools.

Then we come and tell them how THEY should live.

Many others hate us because they're jealous or misinformed by their censored media and maybe because it's now trendy to hate America, until of course someone needs our military or our Aid.

[Rhenzanite]

Originally Posted by GuyNTexas

You obviously missed EVERY point (multiple points). Maybe it would be wise to review the "babble" for a better grasp of them?

Your experiences with foreign cultures are no more relevant than mine insofar as a discussion regarding the proper etiquette of the President of the United States. What you have or have not experienced in your travels, and the cultures you've lived among are totally irrelevant to that point. This is not a case of "When in Rome". It is diplomatic etiquette, and the image the President of the United States is expected to maintain while executing the duties of his Office. It's not HIS office, and it's not HIS choice to decide such things. There are obligations to THE OFFICE for which he TEMPORARILY is entrusted. That is the first point.



Please review the above babble for more clarification.



I joined this discussion not to pile on to poor Mr. Obama. If only bowing were his biggest flaw ... I'd be a staunch advocate ... alas ... it is not. It's only symbolic of the many others which doesn't require searching long and hard to uncover. Your insinuation is that for the lack of something more significant, people are nitpicking this bowing thing. Again, not so, at least on my part.

The greater point I was driving at ... the greater point you're missing may be due to my diplomatic approach to the subject (though I am rarely accused of such subtleties) That is, your pointing out how foreigners view Americans as rather dense ... I believe you used the terms "inferior intelligence".

To dispense with any language that may continue to obscure the point, I'd simply say:

Pot, meet Kettle.

Telling someone they have 'inferior intelligence' simply because they don't agree with you isn't polite debate.

Your opinions differ from my experience, so obviously we're going to clash. I'm vehemently disagree with your entire post and think it's ridiculous that people like you are so nitpicky, especially since you weren't there to experience it yourself, we only have pictures to go off of.

And yes, I do think it is HIS choice to decide whether or not to bow to diplomats of other countries and states if he so choose. He is our representative and I feel he's doing nothing wrong. Of course, others opinions may vary as we've certainly seen during this thread.

[WillysB]

Originally Posted by Oakland City

Nobody requires anything, then again, people like you are why the rest of the world generalizes , laughs at and hates Americans. No respect for other cultures, you probably have never even left your home state.

Not to be sorry, but here's the disappoint. I was born into a military hospital. Age three my family moved to a foreign country where I had to speak a foreign language to get food... at home, get my butt cleaned and milk pasteurized.

I've never lived in the land of hate America first, though I have seen it first hand in liberal American cities.

And Japan resigned that cultural superiority December 07, 1941. They're able to enjoy its remembrance by the graciousness of U.S.a. diplomacy.

...thanks Lamar, reps are full.

[GuyNTexas]

Originally Posted by JetJockey

Telling someone they have 'inferior intelligence' simply because they don't agree with you isn't polite debate.

Neither is labeling discourse that you don't agree with as "babbling".

Originally Posted by JetJockey

Your opinions differ from my experience, so obviously we're going to clash. I'm vehemently disagree with your entire post and think it's ridiculous that people like you are so nitpicky, especially since you weren't there to experience it yourself, we only have pictures to go off of.

Ahh ... I have "opinions", while you have "experience". And yes, we obviously clash because you disagree vehemently with the ENTIRE post. Not a word of it can you remotely consider valid, aye?

You may think that having the President of the United States bowing to foreign leaders as nitpicky, but you might want to ask yourself what might have been the outcome if President John F. Kennedy had decided to bow to Nikita Khrushchev at the height of tensions, and potential nuclear war?

Kennedy once remarked that he'd never experienced an individual like Khrushchev, claiming that when he implored the chairman to consider that 100 Million people could die in a matter of 10 minutes, the chairman looked at him with complete indifference as if to say "so what"?

In their last meeting, Khrushchev told Kennedy that it was up to the west if there be war or peace (over the USSR's expanding nuclear threat), in which Kennedy DID NOT BOW, and said "Well Mr. Chairman, then I uppose there will be war".

Kennedy's boldness in dealing with Khrushchev quite possibly averted nuclear catastrophe, as he ordered the naval blockade of Cuba, stopping Soviet ships from delivering needed materials to complete the installation of offensive nuclear missiles. ANY display of weakness on the part of Kennedy may have emboldened Khrushchev to take more aggressive actions.

I think the behavior and posture of the President is a little beyond Nit-Picking.

Originally Posted by JetJockey

And yes, I do think it is HIS choice to decide whether or not to bow to diplomats of other countries and states if he so choose. He is our representative and I feel he's doing nothing wrong. Of course, others opinions may vary as we've certainly seen during this thread.

Once again, this is the same mindset that promotes the idea that he can also decide, at his discretion, which parts of the constitution he chooses to ignore. He may be representing you, but there are those of us he does not represent .. and those numbers are increasing rapidly.