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Old 02-09-2010, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Marion, IA
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President douchebag needs to step out from behind the curtain and televise the forum. C-SPAN anyone??

I wouldn't get anywhere near this thing unless it was 100% televised.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:42 AM
 
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Republicans are in bed with the insurance companies who donate to Democrats. I get it..

Insurance companies are donating to Democrats because a national health care means more business FOR THEM.. PERIOD.. They are in bed with the Democrats in order to increase THEIR OWN BUSINESS.. Do you have a clue what the Democratic plan even is?
The same companies that donate to Democrats donate to Republicans. So far this year alone, Wellpoint (the biggest money maker) has given $129,000 to REBUBLICANS and $125,500 to DEMOCRATS. Not very far off is it and in case you didn't notice, they gave more to Republicans. As a whole, Dems have received more since 2006. Prior to that, it was Republicans going back to 1998. Why are you ignoring these facts???

There are several HMOs that gave more to Democrats but they still gave money to Republicans as well. Don't act like they are not giving money to both parties. By your statement, it sounds as if you believe that 100% went to Dems. Now you claim this is the plan, to increase the business, there are several conservatives who feel that the HR will put private insurance out of business. It can't be both ways. Again, they are all in bed with health insurance companies and they have given money to BOTH sides. If they donate to Dems for the reason that you stated, why do they donate to Republicans? Do you think that Wellpoint is morally superior to other HMOs because they donate to Republicans more? You're funny. Yes Republicans are in bed with companies that give to dems and vice versa. The same companies give to them.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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It would be lose-lose for them.
Why?
Democrats have a majority, and no matter what passes, Republicans are superfluous.
Whatever passes, will be blamed upon the Republicans, too.
(Clever Democrats)

Frankly, since government is the source of the health care problem, government cannot resolve the problem with more government meddling.

Government expansion and higher spending cannot reduce the cost for buying health care.
Government complications RAISE the cost.
Why do adults have to buy permission slips from government licensed people in order to buy medicines from another government licensed person, who buys his price inflated products from more government licensed entities?
And government is going to make THAT cheaper?
Or what about the TORT reform missing from all "reform"?
Or what about debasement of the country's money (Congress' fault)?
Or inflation?
Or taxes that invariably shift to the consumer, the real tax payer?

No, Republicans should say, "Thanks, but no thanks!" to the entreaty of the Democrats.
they can go to the conference and speak for all of your concerns so the American people can see up front who is fighting for what. The republicans lose by a no show. The retort would be that they do not care to discuss openly health care reform. Americans do not mind health care reform, the republicans should not run from a chance to show America that we do have ideas to help. If they no show it would be a political error just when the country us swinging back their direction
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:51 AM
 
Location: PA
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Republicans will never look like good guys in this as far as tax dollars go. The republicans agree with sending millions of tax dollars to other nations for many reasons of which are waste and war "security" reasons.
Thou if they wanted to turn over a new leaf and still want to be fiscally responsible.
Here is a plan.

1. Remove restrictions on state cross line insurance.
2. Cap all lawsuits
3. Remove restrictions on meds from other countries.
4. Allow third party companies to be created to negotiate pricing plans and insurance bills.
5. Anyone without a job (no-insurance) you will go on the Medicaid system health care. This will no longer be funded via tax dollars and no deductions from your paychecks. This will be funded via a national lottery. This is a lottery no taxes you can play if you choose if you win you get the money tax free for life. 1 dollar to play est 350 million a week. The health care system gets 50cent of the dollar just like all the other lotteries we have.
6. All Companies must provide insurance for all employees (including part-time) all costs are tax deduct.
7. All health co-pays for individuals and any out of pock expenses are tax deduct.
8. We are pulling out of IRAQ, Afghan, and closing all the other 700 bases around the world.
9. Military hospitals and bases will be build on US soil in the United States offer treatment and health care to VETS and anyone walking in.
10. We pull out of NATO, UN and all other "peacekeeping missions" Navy is in the water start building SDI and tell the rest of the world good luck.
We ofter free trade, fair trade with all nations alliances with none for economic and peace.
11. No funding via tax dollars for Africa and AIDS etc that all comes from donations.
12. No corporate bailouts becomes law in the constitution.
13. No subsides to any business (not just the oil companies) all of them.
14. End all H-B1Visa's

If you are 12 trillion in debt you cant talk about funding, taxing people and thinking the government has any business RUNNING health care.
They can reduce spending, create laws to bring down costs (most of these laws they created driving costs) and allow people more choices.

That would be republican and small government idealogy and American.
I also think most of the American people can live with that everyone is covered and didnt cost any more money in tax dollars and the govenrment doesnt run anything. Business can right off all those "high costs"
When our country is without freedom and no constitution is when we have to worry about losing America to any other nation.
Until then terrorist can try and take our lives but really when we are gone from their region and we dont play a part in their lives anymore they will be busy killing themselves like they have been for the last 1000 years.
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Old 02-09-2010, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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they can go to the conference and speak for all of your concerns so the American people can see up front who is fighting for what. The republicans lose by a no show. The retort would be that they do not care to discuss openly health care reform. Americans do not mind health care reform, the republicans should not run from a chance to show America that we do have ideas to help. If they no show it would be a political error just when the country us swinging back their direction
Partisan politicians are loathe to surrender power, and that is the sole option to "Reform" America's health care debacle.

If you truly want universal health care, you need to decriminalize the giving of care, decriminalize the purchase of medicine and medical machinery, expand medical training and education, and eliminate tort liability by "Satisfaction guaranteed or your money back."

In short, get government entirely OUT of the health care system. And eliminate the need for "insurance" (usurers) from skimming a hefty profit from monies that should have gone to pay medical expenses, as well as the legal fraternity that enriches itself by encouraging lawsuits against "deep pockets" (insured health care workers).
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Old 02-09-2010, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Partisan politicians are loathe to surrender power, and that is the sole option to "Reform" America's health care debacle.

If you truly want universal health care, you need to decriminalize the giving of care, decriminalize the purchase of medicine and medical machinery, expand medical training and education, and eliminate tort liability by "Satisfaction guaranteed or your money back."

In short, get government entirely OUT of the health care system. And eliminate the need for "insurance" (usurers) from skimming a hefty profit from monies that should have gone to pay medical expenses, as well as the legal fraternity that enriches itself by encouraging lawsuits against "deep pockets" (insured health care workers).
We already have universal health care. No one who walks into an emergency room is denied care.
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Old 02-09-2010, 12:43 PM
 
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what about the TORT reform missing from all "reform"?


No, Republicans should say, "Thanks, but no thanks!" to the entreaty of the Democrats.
.
Tort reform is a state issue, not a federal one. 30 States already have tort reform and cap malpractice payments.

Medical malpractice are problems of state law and any solutions remain there. Unless you want to step on the Seventh Amendment

Tort Reform is simply a distraction and the Republicans know it - they just hope their constituents don't
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Old 02-09-2010, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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ER's are required to keep you alive in an emergency thats all. Does the ER treat cancer? How about Diabetes? High Blood Pressure?


Also capping lawsuits protects big Pharma even more so they can rush unsafe drugs to the market.


You do realize that most small ins. companies are owned by larger ones so what will interstate purchasing solve? Yes they need tort reform but that will not insure everyone.


Another example of how the right wants both sides: No fed gov involvement but they should force states to allow interstate purchasing. Which is it no govt or big govt?
Capping law suits protects doctors and hurts trial lawyers. what group is a huge democratic supporter? trial lawyers, Big Pharmacies can not rush drugs to market without FDA approval
right now if we could buy insurance across sate lines in OK the companies there charge 1/3 less than Texas. it would either make the Texas companies drop rates or drop insures, why woudl the dems be against the ability of a company to buy the best insurance possible.
I know of 3 homeless people right now getting chemo. So emergency rooms will treat you. they will set bones also and give out drugs to the sick.
these are the things republican want to let the country see they are behind. thats why i think its a mistake if they no show the forum. Perhaps Americans would reject their ideas, we know Americans have rejected Obama care.
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Old 02-09-2010, 12:49 PM
 
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We already have universal health care. No one who walks into an emergency room is denied care.
And they are walking into emergency rooms with a sore
throat
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Old 02-09-2010, 12:55 PM
 
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I love how the left tells the republicans what they should do. You just know their advice is meant to help the republicans.

As a conservative, my advice to the republicans is demand a do over or don't show. This is nothing more than the left trying to set you up to look bad.

Landobutter currently supports the party of NO. NO is what we need to say to the left. Over and over and over.
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