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You may want to do a little more research into the matter. Humans are unequivocally social to the core and always have been. There is absolutely zero literature to the contrary. If you have a few hundred square miles of unpopulated but habitable land and release a few thousand humans into it, they will not disperse uniformly across it. They will instead gather into clusters at what are deemed to be convenient or advantageous locations. They will inevitably form bands and troops and tribes and cling to those across and over their entire lives. If they become advanced enough in their society, they will even go so far as to develop such otherwise silly and meaningless social rituals as high school reunions. That's just the way it is...
YES, humans are social, not definitively socialistic by nature.
so·cial·is·tic (ssh-lstk)adj. Of, advocating, or tending toward socialism.
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^ so you blame the Government instead of the criminals right? Exactly what type of food gets sold at a liquor store? That should have been a red flag but they were caught right ?
Are you saying because of some fraud the Government should just abolish the food stamp program?
I don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater and most food stamp recipients are trully in need of the service. Yes, fraud happens and our government should be more diligent in combating fraud by limiting what retailers can be reimbursed for food stamps, what items can be purchased with food stamps, insuring that the stamps/cards can only be used by the recipient and not exchanged for money AND insure that the recipients are actually eligible for the benefits. I agree with another poster about allowing food stamp recipients to be able to purchase some junk/non-nutritional, comfort foods but this should be kept in moderation. Overall, I recognize the need of food stamp programs and feel that we should keep this program especially during these trying economic times.
As it is now, no I dont. If it were restricted in a way similar to WIC, yes. I dont mind WIC one bit, because the things bought are usually rather child-oriented (Juicy juice, cereal, milk, etc).
I get sick of people using tax money to buy birthday cakes (Bake it your own dadgum self and save alot of money!), lobster and filet mignon.
I also get sick of the recipients getting their knickers in a knot when they find that *gasp* their EBT doesnt cover tax, hot sub sandwhiches, steamed shrimp, etc.
Who do these people chew out when they find their EBT wont cover something?
Me.
Maybe the problem is that you aren't quite cut out for retail.
YES, humans are social, not definitively socialistic by nature.
so·cial·is·tic (ssh-lstk)adj. Of, advocating, or tending toward socialism.
Unfortunately, the word you last refer to here has been redefined in today's political lexicography to refer to virtually any cooperatively pursued venture at all. Humanity is in fact defined by such ventures. We and every other existing society are already socialists in that newish sense, and we are only arguing over degree.
Unfortunately, the word you last refer to here has been redefined in today's political lexicography to refer to virtually any cooperatively pursued venture at all. Humanity is in fact defined by such ventures. We and every other existing society are already socialists in that newish sense, and we are only arguing over degree.
I am speaking from the definitions in the context of philosophy relative to human nature and from the word's actual definition.
To state that we are definitively socialistic while ignoring our other natural tendencies distorts the reality and therefore takes away from the validity of the support you attempted in your former post.
Since the word is equivocal in its meaning (according to you), it weakens your argument.
Last edited by Robinstyler; 02-13-2010 at 12:42 PM..
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I'm not totally against it but what I would like to see is exclusive use of debit type cards and tighter restrictions on what can be bought. For example you would force them to spend all of it on fresh fruits, vegetables, meat, dairy or poultry. Also set a maximum on what they can pay per pound so they aren't buying Fillet Mignon.
I agree with you. However, you should know that in many, many poor communities, the residents often lack fresh fruits and fresh vegetables at their local stores.
In San Francisco, the predominately poor-black neighborhood of Hunters Point and Bayview didn't receive their first grocery store until two years ago.
This was a neighborhood of over 30,000, by the way.
It isn't always as simple or black-and-white as some of us have been lead to think.
I don't think many people could claim they were totally against food stamps but too often they are abused. I saw it in NM more times than not..I would like to see a limit on how long a person, unless they are truely disabled can recieve them as well. Like any welfare program the system does need re-vamping, it is abused far too often...
I agree with you. However, you should know that in many, many poor communities, the residents often lack fresh fruits and fresh vegetables at their local stores.
In San Francisco, the predominately poor-black neighborhood of Hunters Point and Bayview didn't receive their first grocery store until two years ago.
This was a neighborhood of over 30,000, by the way.
It isn't always as simple or black-and-white as some of us have been lead to think.
I agree.
Not everyone has the same diet, restrictions and constitution. I believe restrictions would be more trouble than their worth for these reasons.
Last edited by Robinstyler; 02-13-2010 at 01:18 PM..
Ever filed an insurance claim? Did it bother you that other policy holders were bailing you out of, um..... your failed existence?
You are obviously trying real hard to antagonize and belittle me for my view, but you seem to have forgotten that it is my view and my view only. You and most others probably don't agree and that's just fine by me. And no, I never filed an insurance claim but nice try.
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