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It is in this one. I linked to this in the opening post.
"Of course, the conspicuous omission in the debate has been single-payer national health insurance proposal, an improved Medicare for All."
I'd like to see CBO score that bill to include mediacre and medicid people. The present bill scoring relys heavily on inceased medicaid spending by sates and so called savings of 500 bilion form medicare shifted to the bills presenteds with no public plan. That would kill any bill.
I'd like to see CBO score that bill to include mediacre and medicid people. The present bill scoring relys heavily on inceased medicaid spending by sates and so called savings of 500 bilion form medicare shifted to the bills presenteds with no public plan. That would kill any bill.
If Barry is claiming the for profit corporation health system is not working, why the mandate to force people into their grubby hands and a tax payer funded bailout in the form of subsidies for low income people?
Lets just end the shenanigans and come up with single payer/public option solutions already, sheesh.
This doctor brings up an important point.
If Barry is claiming the for profit corporation health system is not working, why the mandate to force people into their grubby hands and a tax payer funded bailout in the form of subsidies for low income people?
Lets just end the shenanigans and come up with single payer/public option solutions already, sheesh.
You know why!
A single-player plan will mess with Congress' bribes...I mean campaign contributions.
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Originally Posted by texdav
I'd like to see CBO score that bill to include mediacre and medicid people. The present bill scoring relys heavily on inceased medicaid spending by sates and so called savings of 500 bilion form medicare shifted to the bills presenteds with no public plan. That would kill any bill.
If you notice, the physicians advocate Medicare for all not Healthcare for all. As any physician can tell you, there are stark differences in Medicare and Medicaid. Many physicians don't even accept Medicaid and the reason isn't reimbursement. Reimbursement for medicaid isn't much different than Medicare, the reason physicians hate Medicaid is the paperwork, rules and limitations of it. It's a hassle to get paid for a Medicaid patient. You have to call and justify things. They will initially reject claims unless you fight them for it. They will claim that patients don't qualify or are unable to receive certain treatment unless certain circumstances apply. All in all, it's a pain for both the providers and patients.
When people talk about government health care, that really means nothing to physicians because we don't know if it's going to operate like Medicare (yay!) or Medicaid (nay). The reality is government run healthcare will be more similar to Medicaid because it's going to have to cover more people and our government is already strapped for cash so the quality of healthcare is going to be drastically reduced. And for those who are covered by their employers, their employers will likely drop them knowing there is a cheaper public option available to them. Even if fines are levied against employers for failing to provide insurance, they will elect to pay the fines than provide insurance.
There is nothing stopping companies from dropping coverage now. If they feel it's too costly to provide health insurance to their employees, they can just drop it.
I can't find the article but there were workers who made tools for Sears. The company was struggling and they decided to just drop health insurance for their workers. They didn't even warn their employees. The employees had no recourse.
Lets just end the shenanigans and come up with single payer/public option solutions already, sheesh.
single payer can't be funded......
look the average medical costs per person are around 8k.....thats per person....so a family of 4 would be 32k....in taxes
medicaid covers about 30 million people...the annual cost 300 billion and rising yearly......to cover 300 million people the cost would be over 3 TRILLION a year.....more than the IRS takes in from income/corporate/estate taxes
we cant fund it in a counmtry our size , with an aging population and over 10% welfare....we just dont have enough workers(taxpayers) to cover all the users.....and according to all statisics we are majority over wieght, and out of shape, not to mention smoking, accident prone, and aging..........more than 29 million(9.6%) alone have diabetes.....over 34 million asthmatics in the usa......
what we need is the fairtax...it would at least HELP to fund a singlepayer system.......cant do it with out it
look the average medical costs per person are around 8k.....thats per person....so a family of 4 would be 32k....in taxes
medicaid covers about 30 million people...the annual cost 300 billion and rising yearly......to cover 300 million people the cost would be over 3 TRILLION a year.....more than the IRS takes in from income/corporate/estate taxes
we cant fund it in a counmtry our size , with an aging population and over 10% welfare....we just dont have enough workers(taxpayers) to cover all the users.....and according to all statisics we are majority over wieght, and out of shape, not to mention smoking, accident prone, and aging..........more than 29 million(9.6%) alone have diabetes.....over 34 million asthmatics in the usa......
what we need is the fairtax...it would at least HELP to fund a singlepayer system.......cant do it with out it
VAT has been proposed as a way to fund health care.
And by the way he's going, this man would have my vote in 2012.
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