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Old 03-31-2010, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Ireland
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I can't recall a time that a change in US policy has been so divisive. I'm not from the US so I'm not directly affected by the debate. Can someone point out why the Health Care reform is such a hostile topic (for both sides). I've heard the word Socialism being used a lot but my understanding is (I could be wrong) that the US already has social policies i.e Medicare, social security, and public schools. Is it because there is a direct increase in taxes on the middle class to provide health care?
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Old 03-31-2010, 07:35 AM
 
Location: MS
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1. It is unconstitutional. The federal government has never before required an individual to purchase a good or service. The Constitution doesn't give them the right to do this.
2. It didn't address rising costs. There was no tort reform. There were additional taxes on drug companies and medical equipment makers. They will raise prices to cover the additional taxes. No one that was responsible for writing the bill has any real world business experience. I'm guess they haven't set foot in an economics class either.
3. The public did not want it. The polls all showed this and they passed it anyway. Congress should speak for their constituents and they did not this time.

I think that Medicare and SS are both unconstitutional but they are in place and will be difficult to remove. That's why a lot of people are trying to get the health care bill repealed.

Public schools are state run and that is how it should be. The past and current administrations are involved in them and they were/are overstepping their authority.
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Old 03-31-2010, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Ireland
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Whats the difference between state run and government run?
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Old 03-31-2010, 08:30 AM
 
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Whats the difference between state run and government run?

The presumption is that regional issues are best dealt with by regional plans and politics.

Mandates and policy from a federal source may not be consistent with the specific interests relevent to a state or region. That is, a policy which benefits California may be terrible for Kansas, and vice versa.
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Old 03-31-2010, 08:32 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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I can't recall a time that a change in US policy has been so divisive. I'm not from the US so I'm not directly affected by the debate. Can someone point out why the Health Care reform is such a hostile topic (for both sides). I've heard the word Socialism being used a lot but my understanding is (I could be wrong) that the US already has social policies i.e Medicare, social security, and public schools. Is it because there is a direct increase in taxes on the middle class to provide health care?

Those who are loudly and angrily spouting off are not really all that upset about healthcare reform.

America's right wing has become insular, intolerant, and now looks at fellow Americans as their "enemy." We're experiencing a national spasm of racism, willful ignorance, and religious fundamentalism. An ugly and volatile mixture. But I doubt that we'll see widespread violence as a result. I think we're seeing the "last hurrah" of the racist old-boy network, who have no intention of fading away quietly.
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Old 03-31-2010, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Tha 6th Bourough
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Those who are loudly and angrily spouting off are not really all that upset about healthcare reform.

America's right wing has become insular, intolerant, and now looks at fellow Americans as their "enemy." We're experiencing a national spasm of racism, willful ignorance, and religious fundamentalism. An ugly and volatile mixture. But I doubt that we'll see widespread violence as a result. I think we're seeing the "last hurrah" of the racist old-boy network, who have no intention of fading away quietly.
That's not true...people are mad because the health care law shows us that the government doesn't care about what the majority of people want, and we are forced to have health insurance now or be fined which has never happened before....we have never been fined for not buying a product from government...we are mad because the government is playing like they are our mom and dad....people see the anger and dismiss it as racism or religious fundamentalism....well the government is now targeting anyone who has issues with their decisions and ignoring the real issues we have here like homelessness and illegal drug gangs and people living in our borders illegally..instead they fight a war on terror but yet leave the borders wide open here for anyone to come in
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Old 03-31-2010, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Maine
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"State run" meaning each individual state like Maine or Tennessee, and a lot of control is held by the individual school districts.
Many of us consider the US Dept of Education unconstitutional, as it continues to strip away local and state control, while our kids' educations are in continual decline.

The Health Insurance Bill is also uncontitutional on many levels. It is also going to be incredibly expensive, and further (indefinitely) delay any economic recovery we may see.
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Old 03-31-2010, 08:49 AM
 
Location: The Heartland
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Those who are loudly and angrily spouting off are not really all that upset about healthcare reform.

America's right wing has become insular, intolerant, and now looks at fellow Americans as their "enemy." We're experiencing a national spasm of racism, willful ignorance, and religious fundamentalism. An ugly and volatile mixture. But I doubt that we'll see widespread violence as a result. I think we're seeing the "last hurrah" of the racist old-boy network, who have no intention of fading away quietly.
Bull McCabe...I wonder what you think of a statement like this?
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Old 03-31-2010, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Whats the difference between state run and government run?
Previously individual states had the freedom to implement a universal health care program. For example, Vermont can implement one while Alabama can bow out based on what the residents want. The policy placed the power closer to the people.

Now all states, like it or not, are forced into a health care system based on the wishes of a few. States like Texas and Oklahoma, who want nothing to do with it, are now forced.
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Old 03-31-2010, 09:20 AM
 
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Bull McCabe, our health care delivery in this country has been a patch work affair for decades. The reason we have medicare, VA, medicaid, American Indian medical care is because the major insurance companies did not and will not cover those who qualify for those programs stated above, that is why those programs exist, they contain the most high risk for the insurance companies who refuse to cover them. What is happening now is the price for delivering healthcare is climbing rapidly forcing many middle class out of insurance, both individual and group coverage (individual are policies bought by an individual opposed to an employer providing coverage--group coverage).

The insurance industry has been gaming Americans for years such as taking advantage of the 50 State regulatory agencies that regulate insurance in their respective state. If the insurance company did not like the way it was regulated in a particular State it would pack its bags and leave that State in order to squeeze the citizens of another State. Health insurance companies also enjoy the Anti-Trust exemption that allows these companies to collude and fix prices. These insurances companies have been allowed to buy out their competition leaving less competitors. Many of these insurance companies allowed these bought businesses to keep their old name giving the impression that competition is alive and well when in-fact there are only 5 major insurance companies scamming millions of Americans.

I do have an issue with the Fed forcing people to buy a product from a for profit company (Health Insurance Company) or get in trouble with the law. This was the deal insurance companies made with the federal government. The bill that was passed will see many changes I believe in the 4 years when this bill is fully activated.
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