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Despite the rants and raves of the lunatic fringe cult of Beck, the US and most of the prosperous developed nations of Canada, western Europe and Japan are NOT socialist.
China, soon to be once again a superpower has long moved toward capitalism.
Even Cuba has unofficially become tolerant of capitalism and even US dollars from what I've heard.
The only modern examples of socialism that come to mind are Vietnam and North Korea, places that are not the best examples in my opinion.
a. I am not so sure it has nor am I interested to prove it right or wrong as I find that old socialism vs. capitalism crap boring and outdated.
b. Even if it were a wrong/failed/pointless system or idea, why would people not be allowed to admit it if they believed in it anyway? After all, we don't think anything weird of people believing in gods
Republicans are likelier to be corporatists that believe in an alliance between the party in power and the major corporations for the direct profit to both gained by the creation and use of monopoly and government force.
AKA - Socialism for the rich and a fixed market for the rest of us. Or socializing the risk and privatizing the profit.
reid, you may find this article quite ironic as well.
"The Obama administration invited banking executives Tuesday to offer advice on changing the government's role in the mortgage market. Their response: stay big.
While the executives disagreed on the exact level of support needed, the group overwhelmingly advocated the government should maintain a large role propping up the nearly $11 trillion market."
There was a thread on this idea of re-fi at the cost of 800 billion and of course being billed to the tax payer.According to that article the treasury was kicking the idea around where your story says they have no plans. It is a win win situation for the banksters and the {D} party,they get our money and the party can tell duped voters how great they are for forgiving them of thousands of dollars on their loans.
And it might work,like my parents if this takes place will be forgiven of about 40,000 and I can them screech about how Obama is wonderful ad extreme nausum. They will never mention the 800 billion added to the debt and will be so happy to have a extra 20 bucks in their pockets.
Looking at the two stories side by side,the guy at PIMCO says this will add 60 billion in consumer spending and the banksters pick up 740 billion. We will see how this plays out.
There was a thread on this idea of re-fi at the cost of 800 billion and of course being billed to the tax payer.According to that article the treasury was kicking the idea around where your story says they have no plans. It is a win win situation for the banksters and the {D} party,they get our money and the party can tell duped voters how great they are for forgiving them of thousands of dollars on their loans.
And it might work,like my parents if this takes place will be forgiven of about 40,000 and I can them screech about how Obama is wonderful ad extreme nausum. They will never mention the 800 billion added to the debt and will be so happy to have a extra 20 bucks in their pockets.
Looking at the two stories side by side,the guy at PIMCO says this will add 60 billion in consumer spending and the banksters pick up 740 billion. We will see how this plays out.
You're right reid, its rugged capitalism when its in the corporate elites' interest which morphs into corporate socialism when things go sour.
"The head of the world's biggest bond fund, bemoaning the slow economic recovery, reignited debate Tuesday by publicly supporting a massive new refinance program currently roiling the mortgage bond market by describing it as a form of fiscal stimulus that wouldn't add to the deficit."
There are TONS of closet "socialists" in the GOP, but they aren't readily viewed as such. Any GOP business person taking taxpayer funds via loopholes or allowances is guilty of corporate welfare, which is nothing more than corporate socialism.
Things like this:
- Ethanol subsidy
- Oil depletion allowance
- Farm subsidies, of many sorts, to include milk price supports, sugar quota's, etc.
- Grazing cattle on public lands
- Tax deductions for replanting trees after clear cutting (even though they must replant if they want pulpwood 20+ years down the road).
- Cheap oil and gas leases on Federal lands.
- Superfund cleanups at taxpayer expense.
The list goes on and on.....
When is the Tea Party crowd going to recognize it for what it is and start making noise. Oh well, never mind, all the tea party wants to end is welfare for blacks....
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Last edited by Mike from back east; 08-18-2010 at 06:33 PM..
Yeah lets not have a strong defense and hope we arent ever attacked or invaded due to lack of a strong military
That's just the thing though- you conservatives like to spend government money where YOU see fit, but whine and groan when the government spends money in places where you don't like it.
I think some are, yes. They need to be removed from office. I think the point of the recent conservative movements like the Tea Party is that we're sick of people acting like they're conservative, then legislating like a drunken liberal.
Your point?
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