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Donna Brazille almost melted down but he was right on target saying that the great divide is now between tax payers and tax recipients without paying much in or none at all. Greater percentage of Republicans are payers and a greater percentage of Democrats are net beneficiaries of government give always. If we were to value each citizen on their economic contribution to the public good. Which party would have a higher percentage of the winners?
Win Ben Stein's bizarre healthcare analysis - War Room - Salon.com
Using people who pay federal income taxes as a proxy for "taxpayers," as Stein and other conservatives love to do, is disingenous, because income taxes isn't the only federal tax that we all pay. The fact is that most Americans pay more in payroll taxes -- things like Social Security and Medicare -- than they do in income tax.
And of the above mentioned folks they more Republican or Democratic? How many Republican members of the house are from poor urban districts.
Donna Brazille almost melted down but he was right on target saying that the great divide is now between tax payers and tax recipients without paying much in or none at all. Greater percentage of Republicans are payers and a greater percentage of Democrats are net beneficiaries of government give always. If we were to value each citizen on their economic contribution to the public good. Which party would have a higher percentage of the winners?
Win Ben Stein's bizarre healthcare analysis - War Room - Salon.com
Using people who pay federal income taxes as a proxy for "taxpayers," as Stein and other conservatives love to do, is disingenous, because income taxes isn't the only federal tax that we all pay. The fact is that most Americans pay more in payroll taxes -- things like Social Security and Medicare -- than they do in income tax.
And of the above mentioned folks they more Republican or Democratic? How many Republican members of the house are from poor urban districts.
eek! That's along the same lines as working according to your abilities and taking according to your needs
Greater percentage of Republicans are payers and a greater percentage of Democrats are net beneficiaries of government give always.
I would love to see some stats backing that claim up, and please, quoting per capita income isn't going to cut it. I want to see a break down of taxes paid by political affiliation (which I doubt exist).
I would love to see some stats backing that claim up, and please, quoting per capita income isn't going to cut it. I want to see a break down of taxes paid by political affiliation (which I doubt exist).
You can look at district voting to get a clue. It will jump right out at you how the poor districts voted compared to the wealthier districts.
Someone posted a voting map showing districts, right after the 2008 elections.
Donna Brazille almost melted down but he was right on target saying that the great divide is now between tax payers and tax recipients without paying much in or none at all. Greater percentage of Republicans are payers and a greater percentage of Democrats are net beneficiaries of government give always. If we were to value each citizen on their economic contribution to the public good. Which party would have a higher percentage of the winners?
Win Ben Stein's bizarre healthcare analysis - War Room - Salon.com
Using people who pay federal income taxes as a proxy for "taxpayers," as Stein and other conservatives love to do, is disingenous, because income taxes isn't the only federal tax that we all pay. The fact is that most Americans pay more in payroll taxes -- things like Social Security and Medicare -- than they do in income tax.
And of the above mentioned folks they more Republican or Democratic? How many Republican members of the house are from poor urban districts.
That is a great analysis. The democrats more and more want we who pay taxes to support them. We who pay taxes have come to resent being used as the "milk cow' of the nation, while others shirk thier duties. I agree that this situation cannot persist and there will come a separataion at some point between the productive and non productive.
Using people who pay federal income taxes as a proxy for "taxpayers," as Stein and other conservatives love to do, is disingenous, because income taxes isn't the only federal tax that we all pay. The fact is that most Americans pay more in payroll taxes -- things like Social Security and Medicare -- than they do in income tax.
It's also disingenuous because it is in many cases untrue. The statistics that the right-wing (including dingbats like Stein) quote from are the IRS summary data for tax returns that show a positive adjusted gross income. So these people did make some money during the year, but they still ended up with a net tax bill of zero or less. How does that happen?
Well, about 20% of this group are households with two or more children who have incomes of less than $25,000. The standard deduction and personal exemptions alone wipe out all of their taxable income, so they owe nothing.
More than 50% of no-tax filers are eligible for one or both of the Earned Income Tax Credit or the Additional Child Care Credit. These are legacies from turning welfare into workfare. To receive what were once welfare benefits, you have to work. If you have to work and have children, you have to have child care. Both of these credits are refundable (so is Make Work Pay, for that matter). Since these are low-income people, their benefits will often exceed their tax liability. The only way to get them these benefits is to reduce their actual taxes to zero, then pay them any amount less than zero. For example, if Ray owed $3300 in taxes, but had $5000 in credits, he would pay no tax and receive a check for $1700. Note that if these credits were administered by some agency other than the IRS, Ray would receive a check for $5000 from that other agency and would pay the $3300 to the IRS. It is only the fact that IRS administers these programs that makes it look like Ray is not paying taxes.
All in all, the typical no-tax filer is under age 35 (55%), white (80%), female (55%), unmarried (70%...including single, divorced, and widowed), and worked a full-time job (55%) though not necessarily for the entire year. Roughly 25% of no-tax filers are students who file only to get back the taxes that were withheld from their paychecks when they worked summer or other part-time jobs. Otherwise, their most common occupations are sales clerks, admin support staff, precision production workers, and other services workers.
Last edited by saganista; 02-26-2010 at 06:18 PM..
Donna Brazille almost melted down but he was right on target saying that the great divide is now between tax payers and tax recipients without paying much in or none at all. Greater percentage of Republicans are payers and a greater percentage of Democrats are net beneficiaries of government give always. If we were to value each citizen on their economic contribution to the public good. Which party would have a higher percentage of the winners?
Win Ben Stein's bizarre healthcare analysis - War Room - Salon.com
Using people who pay federal income taxes as a proxy for "taxpayers," as Stein and other conservatives love to do, is disingenous, because income taxes isn't the only federal tax that we all pay. The fact is that most Americans pay more in payroll taxes -- things like Social Security and Medicare -- than they do in income tax.
And of the above mentioned folks they more Republican or Democratic? How many Republican members of the house are from poor urban districts.
You could look at which states voted republican and which voted democrat, and see which states are richer, but that would not tell you if the masses of poor out number the middle and upper class voters in the richer states.
Donna Brazille almost melted down but he was right on target saying that the great divide is now between tax payers and tax recipients without paying much in or none at all. Greater percentage of Republicans are payers and a greater percentage of Democrats are net beneficiaries of government give always. If we were to value each citizen on their economic contribution to the public good. Which party would have a higher percentage of the winners?
Win Ben Stein's bizarre healthcare analysis - War Room - Salon.com
Using people who pay federal income taxes as a proxy for "taxpayers," as Stein and other conservatives love to do, is disingenous, because income taxes isn't the only federal tax that we all pay. The fact is that most Americans pay more in payroll taxes -- things like Social Security and Medicare -- than they do in income tax.
And of the above mentioned folks they more Republican or Democratic? How many Republican members of the house are from poor urban districts.
I saw that interview and I couldn't believe when he made the statement Republicans pay more taxes than Democrats.
That is a great analysis. The democrats more and more want we who pay taxes to support them. We who pay taxes have come to resent being used as the "milk cow' of the nation, while others shirk thier duties. I agree that this situation cannot persist and there will come a separataion at some point between the productive and non productive.
Yeah, sign up to be part of the next right-wing flash-mob. Somebody new to hate every few weeks. It's sort of like joining the Columbia Record Club in that regard...
I saw that interview and I couldn't believe when he made the statement Republicans pay more taxes than Democrats.
For one thing, there aren't any Republicans anymore. They all turned into Libertarians out of sheer embarassment at what was done over the Bushie years...
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