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Old 03-02-2010, 10:10 PM
 
Location: California
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I was referring to these words from you and I am sure that "the same" doesn't make a lot of sense used like that.

Gays are going to get married and have THE SAME KIND OF SEX that hetero's do. The end.
LOL. I stand corrected.
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Old 03-02-2010, 10:10 PM
 
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Let me say that gays weren't as forward in her days as they are today. They were still in the closet back then.
That quote was from 1990. I don't think Rosa Parks ever spoke specifically about gay rights, but everything I've read about or from her seems to indicated she wouldn't be hostile towards gay rights.

And not everyone was closeted back then. She worked with Bayard Rustin surrounding the Montgomery Bus Boycott. Rustin was one of the key behind the scenes guy in the civil rights movement, co-founded of the SCLC (Southern Christian Leadership Conference), and was one of MLK's closest advisers. He was openly gay as early as the 1940s.

Interesting historical note: A 1963 smear campaign Strom Thurmond insinuated that he and MLK were gay lovers using FBI surveillance photos.
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Old 03-02-2010, 10:19 PM
 
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Ironically, if there was one group of people that has failed resoundingly to adapt to modern Western democracy, it is black people in sum. That's a crappy thing to utter in public, but alas it's resoundingly obvious. The fact that anyone apart of the biggest racial failure in the history of the human species has the balls to judge homosexuals, whom despite incredible past bigotry have succeeded very well in our economy, is hilariously un-self-conscious.
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Old 03-02-2010, 10:26 PM
 
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Ironically, if there was one group of people that has failed resoundingly to adapt to modern Western democracy, it is black people in sum. That's a crappy thing to utter in public, but alas it's resoundingly obvious. The fact that anyone apart of the biggest racial failure in the history of the human species has the balls to judge homosexuals, whom despite incredible past bigotry have succeeded very well in our economy, is hilariously un-self-conscious.
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Old 03-02-2010, 10:48 PM
 
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oh no he didant amirite?
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Old 03-02-2010, 11:08 PM
 
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Ironically, if there was one group of people that has failed resoundingly to adapt to modern Western democracy, it is black people in sum. That's a crappy thing to utter in public, but alas it's resoundingly obvious. The fact that anyone apart of the biggest racial failure in the history of the human species has the balls to judge homosexuals, whom despite incredible past bigotry have succeeded very well in our economy, is hilariously un-self-conscious.
I had to read this again:
ironically, if there was one group of people that has failed resoundingly to adapt to modern Western democracy, it is black people in sum.
it's resoundingly obvious.
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the biggest racial failure in the history of the human species
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homosexuals, whom despite incredible past bigotry have succeeded very well in our economy
Stunning!
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Old 03-02-2010, 11:28 PM
 
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I had to read this again:
ironically, if there was one group of people that has failed resoundingly to adapt to modern Western democracy, it is black people in sum.
it's resoundingly obvious.


Stunning!
You're confused. You think you've spotted irony, citing a not-so-congratulatory remark regarding black people and mistaken it for bigotry. This is common, and you're not to be demonized for making the error. It's hard not to have this distinction intellectually intertwined in today's society. Know, of course, that the difference is night and day. There is no bigotry in pointing out that the sky is blue, or that water is wet. The failure of black people to adapt and succeed in all western society's needs to be accepted as self-evident, with solutions put forward. Instead, we collectively choose to ignore it, or justify with half-baked sociological justifications.

Indeed, the latter status quo is the real bigotry. I'm guilty of having the balls to say what needs to be said to get a dialogue started, nothing more. I'm basically a civil rights activist in this way.
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:01 AM
 
Location: Blackwater Park
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You're confused. You think you've spotted irony, citing a not-so-congratulatory remark regarding black people and mistaken it for bigotry. This is common, and you're not to be demonized for making the error. It's hard not to have this distinction intellectually intertwined in today's society. Know, of course, that the difference is night and day. There is no bigotry in pointing out that the sky is blue, or that water is wet. The failure of black people to adapt and succeed in all western society's needs to be accepted as self-evident, with solutions put forward. Instead, we collectively choose to ignore it, or justify with half-baked sociological justifications.

Indeed, the latter status quo is the real bigotry. I'm guilty of having the balls to say what needs to be said to get a dialogue started, nothing more. I'm basically a civil rights activist in this way.
Sticking with the sky analogy:
It is bigoted to obstinately say the sky is blue while ignoring that outside our atmosphere the sky is black and at sunset it's shades of orange, yellow, and red.

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Ironically, if there was one group of people that has failed resoundingly to adapt to modern Western democracy, it is black people in sum. That's a crappy thing to utter in public, but alas it's resoundingly obvious. The fact that anyone apart of the biggest racial failure in the history of the human species has the balls to judge homosexuals, whom despite incredible past bigotry have succeeded very well in our economy, is hilariously un-self-conscious.
It's a good thing, as you put it, that "blacks failed resoundingly to adapt to Western democracy." Why should they have adapted to a society (which they were part of the foundation of) that treats them as third-rate human beings. If "Western democracy" means "white man rule" then it is no true democracy and I want nothing of it. The biggest success of African-Americans, the Civil Rights Movement, is also one of the biggest and most important steps in the right direction for the United States as a whole. While I find those who support Civil Rights Movement while opposing the Gay Rights Movement hypocrites and completely selfish, I will not go as far to say that African-Americans "in sum" are the "biggest racial failure" based solely on the importance of the Civil Rights Movement and what it has done to further push this country into the realm of a true free society for all, not just the privileged.

Are you to say that no blacks have risen from past oppression to become successful in our economy? If not, what's the point of your statement? Should I counter your argument by saying there are unsuccessful gay people, or that there are successful black people? Or perhaps we should just ignore this because it's completely irrelevant.
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Old 03-03-2010, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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True. But there is no reason to make laws specific to who you have sex with either.
Why not? They have parades specific to who you have sex with.
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Old 03-03-2010, 06:34 AM
 
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oh no he didant amirite?
My shock shouldn't be misread as approval.
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