Rep. Grayson introduces Public Option Act (polls, health care system, statistics, cost)

[TXboomerang]

Originally Posted by PurpleLove08

YES!!!!!!!!!!!



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I am about to call my representative in the House and urge him to vote for this bill.

I could actually support his proposal if I had any faith at all in our government to keep it self funded through premiums. That would NEVER happen though.

[ozzie679]

Originally Posted by hnsq

Actually they do. I have a friend who has a $22,000 procedure done when he didn't have insurance. He now has a monthly payment to the hospital, and will until he has paid off the debt.

We do such things when we buy cars and houses, why not health care as well?

Because there are better systems. Better systems that are good for industry and commerce.

[PurpleLove08]

Originally Posted by harrymiafl

U will not socialise America,so I suggest, in order to avoid the "greedy insurance companies " ,to emigrate to Canada...

There is already some elements of socialism in America.
If I had the money to move to Canada, I'd gladly move there.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by PurpleLove08

Well everyone will be broke if we're paying for medical care out of pocket.
No car, no house, no nutrious meals, no new clothes...nada.

I'm glad your friend had $22,000 on hand but the majority of Americans don't have this sort of cash on hand.

Why should we pay such outrageous prices for medical care when people in other countries pay a lot less?

so your suggestion is have the 'government' pay for it, then soak everyone in taxes.........????????


singlepayer/government option/medicare for everyone is NOT FUNDABLE........we as a country just can't do it

[kovert]

A VAT can not only be beneficial to pay for health care, it has economic benefits as well.

Originally Posted by kovert

Bartie, an old school Reaganite cat, argues not for small gov. out of slavish ideology but, for efficiency, in that a gov. pays for the services it provides.

Bartie is in favor of a VAT for reducing the deficit and financing universal healthcare.

Even one of Junior's former advisors is in favor of a VAT.

"But let's suppose that you are a conservative and you want the fiscal commission to succeed. You will have to agree to higher taxes as part of the bargain."

And they are not the only fiscal conservatives in favor of a VAT.

"No one I talked to succeeded in defeating it, other than mentioning they don't like the idea of more revenue for the government."

Of course true fiscal conservatives and the lunatic fringe cult of Beck that has hijacked their great name and legacy are 2 completely different species.

"The more necessary public spending seems to be, the more strenuously Republicans oppose it. The party’s political tactics are as hare-brained as its economics."

Originally Posted by kovert

I'm no supporter of the current health bills, they're just health industry bailouts.

I'd rather go with public option/single payer and pay for it with a VAT.

"Our one island of single-payer medicine, Medicare, is phenomenally popular -- so popular that the Republicans' most effective attack on the Obama plan is that it would divert some money from Medicare. The Republicans, on the one hand, fiercely attack "government-run health insurance," while on the other they defend Medicare (which they would just as soon privatize)."

Originally Posted by kovert

Luckily Dirty Harry is feeling feisty, so our job outlook could wind up taking a turn for the better.

Oh and the VAT may be more beneficial than you think, and not only in terms of social programs such as health care.

[workingclasshero]

vat on top of income is a rip off


the 'fair-tax' (consumption tax) in place of the income tax is the way to go

Americans For Fair Taxation: Americans For Fair Taxation

[kovert]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

vat on top of income is a rip off


the 'fair-tax' (consumption tax) in place of the income tax is the way to go

Americans For Fair Taxation: Americans For Fair Taxation

Fritz actually advocates eliminating the corporate income tax entirely in favor of a VAT of less than 5%.

Of course taxes would also have to be reformed to not overly burden private citizens.

But even fiscal conservatives argue, there is really no strong argument against a VAT.

[hnsq]

Originally Posted by PurpleLove08

Well everyone will be broke if we're paying for medical care out of pocket.
No car, no house, no nutrious meals, no new clothes...nada.

I'm glad your friend had $22,000 on hand but the majority of Americans don't have this sort of cash on hand.

Why should we pay such outrageous prices for medical care when people in other countries pay a lot less?

The money has to come from somewhere. It seems justified to ask people to incur the debts for the services they use. What other countries pay less than the united states? Can you please post the studies which show that information?

Originally Posted by ozzie679

Because there are better systems. Better systems that are good for industry and commerce.

Such as what?

What we have isn't working, and government programs have proven to be inefficient and wasteful to date...

[PurpleLove08]

Originally Posted by hnsq

The money has to come from somewhere. It seems justified to ask people to incur the debts for the services they use. What other countries pay less than the united states? Can you please post the studies which show that information?



Such as what?

What we have isn't working, and government programs have proven to be inefficient and wasteful to date...

All this health care talk and you haven't seen the stats that shows the U.S. spends more than any other industrialized nation?

Why Does U.S. Health Care Cost So Much? (Part I) - Economix Blog - NYTimes.com

Snapshots: Health Care Spending in the United States and OECD Countries - Kaiser Family Foundation

Per Capita U.S. Health Care Costs Triple Canada's

The overhead cost of operating the United States health-care system is more than three times that of running Canada's on a per capita basis, and the gap is getting bigger, according to a study published today in the New England Journal of Medicine. Savings gleaned from a national health insurance system like Canada's would be enough to provide medical insurance for the 41 million Americans who now lack coverage, the researchers said.
The study puts the administrative cost of the U.S. system at $294 billion per year, compared to about $9.4 billion in Canada. That translates to a per-person cost of $1,059 in the U.S. and $307 in Canada. A similar study, conducted in 1991, put per-capita costs in the U.S. at $450 and Canadian costs at one-third of that.
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McAllen, Texas and the high cost of health care : The New Yorker

Of course many of these countries spend less because they have largely removed the profit factor out of health care.

[PurpleLove08]

Originally Posted by kovert

Fritz actually advocates eliminating the corporate income tax entirely in favor of a VAT of less than 5%.

Of course taxes would also have to be reformed to not overly burden private citizens.

But even fiscal conservatives argue, there is really no strong argument against a VAT.

Thanks for this article: Fritz Hollings: Making Government Work

I now favor a VAT.