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That has to be the dumbest response I've read here today.
In other words, you didn't understand what I said. Pot meet kettle. It's so great when someone is ignorant of a topic and can't even grasp the simplest of replies...then goes "oh that's so stupid."
I'll try once more: if we say "you should have to see combat before becoming an officer," what happens when there isn't combat going on? How do you qualify?
Also one more time: being an officer is about a lot more than just risk or combat. You obviously don't get that, I suspect due to a glaring lack of knowledge about the military.
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Originally Posted by chielgirl
I have no clue what you're talking about
Neither does he.
[quote]If you don't make it through OCS, then you won't be an officer.Not true, actually. There are several paths, eg one of the miliary academies.
In other words, you didn't understand what I said. Pot meet kettle. It's so great when someone is ignorant of a topic and can't even grasp the simplest of replies...then goes "oh that's so stupid."
I'll try once more: if we say "you should have to see combat before becoming an officer," what happens when there isn't combat going on? How do you qualify?
Also one more time: being an officer is about a lot more than just risk or combat. You obviously don't get that, I suspect due to a glaring lack of knowledge about the military.
Neither does he.
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If you don't make it through OCS, then you won't be an officer.
Not true, actually. There are several paths, eg one of the miliary academies.
True, but OCS is the major way to get there. The military academies aren't a bed of roses, either.
Not all military career fields are have combat MOS. It's not too hard to understand.
I guess none of these posters have ever been in the military; they sure have skewed ideas.
I'm as anti-military as I can be yet I won't let people pass lies and bs around when they know absolutely nothing.
So you're saying that we're fighting these wars because we don't want to have our Soldiers standing around doing nothing?
Believe me, we'd draft people into the military if nobody enlisted.
If conscripted soldiers had been the cannon fodder for the Iraq War, there would have been no war - which is a great argument for a conscripted military rather than a voluntary one.
My experience with this predates our all volunteer army, so perhaps it doesn't apply. But in '72, after a battery of tests given to Army inductees at lovely Ft. Dix, NJ, one of the officers came up to me with my test scores in hand and asked me if I was interested in going to OCS. I politely declined. But I could have pursued that had I wanted to ... with, at that point, 2 days of military service under my belt! It hasn't happened recently, but in the not-distant past, there have been times when this country has not been at war, and therefore, combat experience has not been available to individuals. If combat experience was a requirement for OCS, there would have been a potentially severe shortage of officers.
That is a good point and interesting personal story. Thanks for sharing that with us. If combat experience couldn't serve as a requirement to enter OCS, couldn't military experience or tenure serve as a requirement. I think a person who excelled on those tests and had 1-2 years of experience in the military would be a better candidate than someone with 2 days of service? Wouldn't you agree?
Anyone can be a grunt and learn to shoot a gun.
Do you really think that OCS is a piece of cake? It's not.
Most military officers serve in war zones at one time or another.
Then again, none of you with your mindset seemed to care that Bush got his little AWOL TNG thing.
"Anyone can be a grunt and shoot a gun", millions have died trying. What a REMF reply.
If combat experience couldn't serve as a requirement to enter OCS, couldn't military experience or tenure serve as a requirement. I think a person who excelled on those tests and had 1-2 years of experience in the military would be a better candidate than someone with 2 days of service? Wouldn't you agree?
Not necessarily. Just because someone has seen combat doesn't make them a leader.
There are "warrant officers" in the Army who serve as a hybrid; but I've seen some that are dumber than doorknobs and couldn't write a sentence in English if their life depended on it; I've seen others who were exceptional.
Combat experience doesn't mean squat, except that you've possibly killed someone and put your life on the line for your paycheck. Enlisted guys are the followers, they're the canon fodder. Don't you get that yet?
Who has 2 days of service? An officer, I think not.
Really, do some research and get back with us.
"Anyone can be a grunt and shoot a gun", millions have died trying. What a REMF reply.
Don't you think that's what was is all about?
Are those kids fighting for their beliefs? Not likely.
They're expendable.
It's not nice, but it's the truth.
They're not aking policy, they're just carrying out what people who will never have to fight for their petty grievances.
So, why are we in Iraq (mercinaries) and Afghanistan?
In other words, you didn't understand what I said. Pot meet kettle. It's so great when someone is ignorant of a topic and can't even grasp the simplest of replies...then goes "oh that's so stupid."
I'll try once more: if we say "you should have to see combat before becoming an officer," what happens when there isn't combat going on? How do you qualify?
Also one more time: being an officer is about a lot more than just risk or combat. You obviously don't get that, I suspect due to a glaring lack of knowledge about the military.
Neither does he.
You would have a point if I was saying that combat experience is all you need to become an officer but that was never my point and your lack of reading comprehension skills is glaring. I simply said that one should earn the right to enter OCS and develop those leadership and technical skills by serving in combat. In other words becoming an officer is a privilege and it should be earned and not given. Those who engage in combat or some military tenure are more deserving than some politician's kid who attended private school and had a better education and test taking skills who gets into OCS because he excels on his tests.
Furthermore, I'm a physician and I could have easily accepted a military scholarship to pay for medical school. And guess what, I would have been an officer when I graduated from medical school even with no military experience whatsoever. I would have been uncomfortable having a real soldier salute me. I don't feel like I deserve being an officer just because I got through medical school.
You would have a point if I was saying that combat experience is all you need to become an officer but that was never my point and your lack of reading comprehension skills is glaring. I simply said that one should earn the right to enter OCS and develop those leadership and technical skills by serving in combat. In other words becoming an officer is a privilege and it should be earned and not given. Those who engage in combat or some military tenure are more deserving than some politician's kid who attended private school and had a better education and test taking skills who gets into OCS because he excels on his tests.
Furthermore, I'm a physician and I could have easily accepted a military scholarship to pay for medical school. And guess what, I would have been an officer when I graduated from medical school even with no military experience whatsoever. I would have been uncomfortable having a real soldier salute me. I don't feel like I deserve being an officer just because I got through medical school.
Please, first of all, you stated early on in your posting that you don't work as a doctor, for whatever reason.
You did not earlier state your first paragraph here. Again, I've known hundreds of officers and none of them are remotely related to any politician, so your use of "privilege" is bogus. Most officers I know, some Generals, went to a normal university and chose the military as a career. I don't know where you're getting your hangups on the "privileged" - they'd make much more money in business.
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In other words, you didn't understand what I said. Pot meet kettle. It's so great when someone is ignorant of a topic and can't even grasp the simplest of replies...then goes "oh that's so stupid." 
