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Old 08-18-2010, 11:29 AM
 
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But this is the only way that liberals can survive, by painting their opposition as cold hearted racists capitalist pigs who light their cigars with hundred dollar bills....I think they need to write a new song based on all the public knowledge that is out there...they sound ridiculous when they don't update their rhetoric...
There is really no need to update it, after all it's the truth.

The Shirley Sherrod incident shows two things. One, the conservative right will continue to use race as a wedge issue to divide Americans. Two, they are pefectily willing to mislead or lie outright if it will advance their agenda.

The current Republican tax propsals seek to protect tax cuts for the richest Americans It should be noted that this group of people have enjoyed the highest rate of income growth the last decade, while middle class incomes have remained relatively stagnant. The current Democratic tax proposals will preserve the Bush tax cuts for all taxpayers making less than $250,000 a year. Also the Republican tax proposal will cost the governemtn $36 billion dollars a year. For Republicans the message is clear they tend to govern based on the belief that government should benefit the rich and the priviledged.

It's estimated only 20% of the population identifies itself as Republican. The question isn't the survival of liberals it's survival of conservatives. The year 2009 marks the first year in American history that more non-White babies were born than White babies. The younger generation is increasingly diverse and increasingly tolerant of other people. This is the antithesis of the Republican Party. If you looked the television pictures of the Republican Party National Convention in 2008 and then look at the Democratic Party National Convention pictures your saw the difference. The Republican crowd tended to be older, and whiter. The Democratic crowd was young and old, and included people of just about every race and ethnicity that you can think of. The pictures said it all. The Republican Party is the party of America's past. The Demcratic Party is the party of America's future.
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:34 AM
 
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That is funny who pushed to stop the bailout of the banks in the first place. I remember the republicans in the early morning hours trying to stop the bailout and democrats were pushing for the biggest bailouts.

In the end all of them are results of government backing loans to bad mortgages.
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Old 08-18-2010, 02:42 PM
 
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I agree with Kovert. Corporations are created by the government to limit the loss to the extent of the owner’s investment even if the losses exceed that amount. We need the 11th Amendment as well as a statement that corporations can never be considered individuals with constitutional rights. Corporations are zombies created to protect investor wealth.
Yeah, now this is an amendment the tea baggers (all American citizens that care about the integrity of the democratic republic to be exact) should be pushing for.
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Old 08-19-2010, 09:12 AM
 
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There is really no need to update it, after all it's the truth.

The Shirley Sherrod incident shows two things. One, the conservative right will continue to use race as a wedge issue to divide Americans. Two, they are pefectily willing to mislead or lie outright if it will advance their agenda.

The current Republican tax propsals seek to protect tax cuts for the richest Americans It should be noted that this group of people have enjoyed the highest rate of income growth the last decade, while middle class incomes have remained relatively stagnant. The current Democratic tax proposals will preserve the Bush tax cuts for all taxpayers making less than $250,000 a year. Also the Republican tax proposal will cost the governemtn $36 billion dollars a year. For Republicans the message is clear they tend to govern based on the belief that government should benefit the rich and the priviledged.

It's estimated only 20% of the population identifies itself as Republican. The question isn't the survival of liberals it's survival of conservatives. The year 2009 marks the first year in American history that more non-White babies were born than White babies. The younger generation is increasingly diverse and increasingly tolerant of other people. This is the antithesis of the Republican Party. If you looked the television pictures of the Republican Party National Convention in 2008 and then look at the Democratic Party National Convention pictures your saw the difference. The Republican crowd tended to be older, and whiter. The Democratic crowd was young and old, and included people of just about every race and ethnicity that you can think of. The pictures said it all. The Republican Party is the party of America's past. The Demcratic Party is the party of America's future.
The reason why you see more on-whites as Dems is that Dems keep control over some people by keeping them as victims. Once they begin to experience the American dream and become successful, they realize how the Dems have done nothing for them except keep them in poverty. Then all of a sudden capitalism is good...hmmm
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Old 09-26-2010, 05:40 PM
 
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That's exactly what some of our Founding Fathers wanted.

"Jefferson and Madison proposed an 11th Amendment to the Constitution that would "ban monopolies in commerce," making it illegal for corporations to own other corporations, banning them from giving money to politicians or trying to influence elections in any way, restricting corporations to a single business purpose, limiting the lifetime of a corporation to something roughly similar to that of productive humans (20 to 40 years back then), and requiring that the first purpose for which all corporations were created be "to serve the public good."
Piggy backing on Tommy Jefferson.

"No gold or other commodity backs our money today. Nothing backs it but "the full faith and credit of the United States." Money and credit are creatures merely of legal agreement, a tally of accounts keeping track of who owes what to whom. Two or more parties can enter into a legal agreement without having any money at all. They can advance credit against goods or services and engage in productive trade. The tribute exacted by a private banking monopoly actually hampers this productive flow.

As Thomas Jefferson complained to Treasury Secretary Gallatin in 1815:
The treasury, lacking confidence in the country, delivered itself bound hand and foot to bold and bankrupt adventurers and bankers pretending to have money, whom it could have crushed at any moment.
Jefferson wrote to John Eppes in 1813:
Although we have so foolishly allowed the field of circulating medium to be filched from us by private individuals, I think we may recover it . . . . The states should be asked to transfer the right of issuing paper money to Congress, in perpetuity.
The "full faith and credit of the United States" could and should be overseen by a branch of the United States, just as legal agreements are overseen by the judiciary. Publicly-owned banks could issue the full faith and credit of the nation without worrying about capital or reserves. After all, if you are the United States, why do you need "reserves" of your own credit?"
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Old 09-26-2010, 05:42 PM
 
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As evil as banks are... I wonder how many liberals on this forum have mortgages, bank accounts, CDs, or anything else related to these evil banks... hypocrisy is great...
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Old 09-26-2010, 08:18 PM
 
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As evil as banks are... I wonder how many liberals on this forum have mortgages, bank accounts, CDs, or anything else related to these evil banks... hypocrisy is great...
So you're cool with the so-called "pull ourselves up by our bootstrappers" turn out not only to be gambling addicts that caused the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression but also begged for and received a fat 13 trillion dollar welfare check courtesy of the US taxpayer.

"The U.S. government and the Federal Reserve have spent, lent or committed $12.8 trillion, an amount that approaches the value of everything produced in the country last year, to stem the longest recession since the 1930s. "
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Old 09-26-2010, 08:49 PM
 
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I am for profit but not for people being bamboozeled by the investment bankers "hedging" their retirement and pension plans. There are ethical banks out there that did not take money from the tax payers to be bailed out because they are ethical and conservative with their investments-like USAA (where I bank).

Making a profit is very possible in an ethical manner!!! The SEC, Leman Bros, Citibank, Chase ,BofA (to name a few) have much to answer for and I want to see how they try to defend themselves against the fraud and hedging that they have so much profitted from in the Bush era. Let the games begin!!!

These guys are crooks and they have been paying off Congressional Representatives and Senators to keep the ball rolling, they will now have to answer to us, the tax payers for their dirty deeds and we will now find out who is working for who.

Just get dropped off by the mothership?

The SEC would have regulated derivatives if Clinton hadn't made sure they didn't.

"I asked former President Bill Clinton if he thought he got bad advice on regulating complex financial instruments known as derivatives from his former Treasury Secretaries, Robert Rubin and Larry Summers. He acknowledged that he was wrong to take the advice of those advising him against regulating derivatives."

Clinton: I Was Wrong to Listen to Wrong Advice Against Regulating Derivatives* - Political Punch

Citibank and the rest of the "too big to fail" crowd would still be small enough to not miss had Clinton not repealed Glass-Steigal.

Bush era?

Please be so kind as to list the actions taken by the Bush Administration that brought about the financial crisis of 2008.

I'll wait...
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Old 09-26-2010, 08:55 PM
 
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So you're cool with the so-called "pull ourselves up by our bootstrappers" turn out not only to be gambling addicts that caused the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression but also begged for and received a fat 13 trillion dollar welfare check courtesy of the US taxpayer.

"The U.S. government and the Federal Reserve have spent, lent or committed $12.8 trillion, an amount that approaches the value of everything produced in the country last year, to stem the longest recession since the 1930s. "

And what is Clinton then, the pit boss?
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Old 09-26-2010, 09:56 PM
 
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What's the OP talkingg about;obama's main man in treasury is a banker.The person is keeps as head of the FED is a banker.
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