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There are plenty of people who consume WAAAAYYYYY more than their value.
Furthermore, if they don't just consume it outright they sit their fat arses on it in off shore accounts.....
And that is why nature dictates that we will disappear. However, you are looking in the wrong direction for our demise. It is not those who produce who consume too much, it is the looters who rob from the producers.
Since Nixon the Republicans have been studiously disenfranchising the working class with outsourcing and mechanization while the financiers have replaced improved wages with debt.
Lets face it, the plutocracy has won the class war very handily.
If you equate "plutocracy" with the usurer / socialist alliance, you are spot on.
And the exit of American industry can only be attributed to the government under socialism - not any partisan effort.
It is against reason to burden the productive for the benefit of the consumer, and expect prosperity. Parasites can only weaken the host. And socialist parasites have dang near killed the host.
American employers who hire the undocumented aliens are voting against the burdens of American socialism. In many cases, they can afford to directly pay their illegals MORE, while cutting their personnel budget.
The politically incorrect solution would be to abolish socialism, or at the very least disenfranchise any recipient of public charity. As long as the recipient can vote, he will vote himself more benefits. And we all can figure out the consequence of that folly.
Is there anyone out there who isn't brainwashed to believe that they have to get a "job" anymore? All anyone has to do is provide something of value to their fellow man...period. No person has to make himself a tool of someone else's business. If you have something to offer that is valuable to others they will gladly pay you the amount that they value your product or service. What has happened to these zombies?
Unfortunatley, every man cannot offer services to his fellow man and make a living. There simply wouldnt be enough demand for all of the most common skills that would be traded.
Since Nixon the Republicans have been studiously disenfranchising the working class with outsourcing and mechanization while the financiers have replaced improved wages with debt. this is all part of a plan to destroy the American working and lower middle class and replacing it with a system of financial feudalism. It is working very well.
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Most outsourcing is a myth. In manufacturing anyway.
Those jobs are gone because of technological advances. Not all but a good chunk.
I work in manufacturing. I work with some big multi national corporations. Lots of them would like to come back to the U.S. as they have discovered it is difficult to find educated workers overseas.
They are just waiting on some tax cuts to make it affordable. I'm not sure how Richard Nixon had much to do with that.
Unfortunatley, every man cannot offer services to his fellow man and make a living. There simply wouldnt be enough demand for all of the most common skills that would be traded.
So say you. And these "jobs" are not filling some sort of demand? Either way, what you make for offering yourself up as someone else's tool, is EXACTLY what the user of you says it is worth to him.
The "value" of a tool is correctly and perfectly defined by the judgement of the user of said tool. If you don't like what you are actually worth, find a way to offer more value to your fellow man. Period. Otherwise you are arguing against reality and nature.
Tell the pond that you "deserve" that fish leap into your mouth. Tell the trees that it is only "fair" to fell themselves into a palace of wood for you to live in. That "reasoning" is the reasoning of death.
I work in manufacturing. I work with some big multi national corporations. Lots of them would like to come back to the U.S. as they have discovered it is difficult to find educated workers overseas.
So say you. And these "jobs" are not filling some sort of demand?
They are filling some demand, however, there are only so many jobs that are valuable in their own right to another man. There simply wouldnt be enough demand for all those jobs to gainfully employ every working person in those jobs.
The only reason some people are able to make a living, say, as a caterer or a lawn care person, is because EVERY ONE isnt doing it. There are other people who are medical assistants, corporate accountants, salesmen, etc, who are cogs in machines.
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Either way, what you make for offering yourself up as someone else's tool, is EXACTLY what the user of you says it is worth to him.
I agree
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The "value" of a tool is correctly and perfectly defined by the judgement of the user of said tool. If you don't like what you are actually worth, find a way to offer more value to your fellow man.
This is where I disagree. The "value" of the tool is whatever purpose it serves. The value of a hammer is the number of nails it nails, and projects it helps you to finish, not the $5 you pay for it at the store.
The "value" of a person is the job they complete, the wage you pay them is some fabricated figure you pulled out of your ass that you hope theyll provide that value in exchange for. If you were able to successfully get them to accept some wage less then their value, you get to steal that difference as profit.
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Period. Otherwise you are arguing against reality and nature.
Maybe reality, but associating a price to value is a product of capitalism, not nature.
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Tell the pond that you "deserve" that fish leap into your mouth. Tell the trees that it is only "fair" to fell themselves into a palace of wood for you to live in. That "reasoning" is the reasoning of death.
You dont deserve for the fish to leap in your mouth, but you do deserve to have just as much chance of catching that fish as any one else.
What we need is free trade. We don't have that. NAFTA was like a 1000 pages long. I could write a free trade pact in one paragraph.
Tariffs would certainly bring jobs back though. And I wish we would use them until we could work out a real free trade agreement.
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