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Folks like to continually remind us about how the Southwest used to belong to Mexico but conveniently forget that Mexico wasn't always owned by Mexicans.
What's the relevance of that? Do you know the meaning of "non sequitur"?
Fact is, the southwest was Mexican territory until Mexico lost it to the US in the aftermath of the Mexican-American war of 1846. That's fine, but that doesn't eliminate the fact the there were Mexicans living in the southwest before it became part of the US, and many of those Mexicans have had descendants who have lived within the US ever since, and descendants living on the other side of the border as well. You can't ignore this cultural affinity. To try to reduce the immigration debate as "those dumb Mexicans crossing the border to steal our jobs" is to show total ignorance of the larger historical context in which this is played.
Fact is, the southwest was Mexican territory until Mexico lost it to the US in the aftermath of the Mexican-American war of 1846. That's fine, but that doesn't eliminate the fact the there were Mexicans living in the southwest before it became part of the US, and many of those Mexicans have had descendants who have lived within the US ever since, and descendants living on the other side of the border as well. You can't ignore this cultural affinity. To try to reduce the immigration debate as "those dumb Mexicans crossing the border to steal our jobs" is to show total ignorance of the larger historical context in which this is played.
Yawn, every piece of land was "owned" by someone else before all the way back to early humanoids, so what!? The land now called Mexico was "stolen" by the Spaniards from the Aztec and Maya, who "stole" it through murderous rampage from previous indigenous cultures, and so forth and so on. It is called conquest. One tribe dominates over another, then another, then another, that has been the narrative of human history since before history. Over time, another culture dominates and takes over, it has happened and will happen again, and likely again. But reliving past slights keeps you in the past forever while the rest of the world moves on and leap frogs you back in the dark ages.
Yawn, every piece of land was "owned" by someone else before all the way back to early humanoids, so what!? The land now called Mexico was stolen by the Spaniards from the Aztec and Maya, who "stole" it through murderous rampage from previous indigenous cultures, and so forth and so on. One tribe dominates over another, then another, then another, that has been the narrative of human history since before history. Over time, another culture dominates and takes over, it has happened and will happen again, and likely again. But reliving past slights keeps you in the past forever while the rest of the world moves on and leap frogs you back in the dark ages.
Yawn. If that's your logic, then you shouldn't complain if the US is reclaimed by Mexico through immigration (legal or illegal). By your logic, there's nothing unfair about Mexicans asserting their heritage in the US. It's just a fact of life. What makes you think the US is exempt from this ever changing of demographics that you describe? Did time stop when the US Anglo-Saxon culture displaced previous inhabitants in the continent? Why should the rules of history be different for you? The "browning" of America is no different than the process you describe which replaces one ethnic group with another. It's fair game.
Yawn, every piece of land was "owned" by someone else before all the way back to early humanoids, so what!? The land now called Mexico was "stolen" by the Spaniards from the Aztec and Maya, who "stole" it through murderous rampage from previous indigenous cultures, and so forth and so on. It is called conquest. One tribe dominates over another, then another, then another, that has been the narrative of human history since before history. Over time, another culture dominates and takes over, it has happened and will happen again, and likely again. But reliving past slights keeps you in the past forever while the rest of the world moves on and leap frogs you back in the dark ages.
Also, this post of yours is the perfect legitimization of imperialism and conquest. But it works both ways. If you can conquer other people, they can conquer you as well. All's fair in love and land grabbing.
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What's the relevance of that? Do you know the meaning of "non sequitur"?
Fact is, the southwest was Mexican territory until Mexico lost it to the US in the aftermath of the Mexican-American war of 1846. That's fine, but that doesn't eliminate the fact the there were Mexicans living in the southwest before it became part of the US, and many of those Mexicans have had descendants who have lived within the US ever since, and descendants living on the other side of the border as well. You can't ignore this cultural affinity. To try to reduce the immigration debate as "those dumb Mexicans crossing the border to steal our jobs" is to show total ignorance of the larger historical context in which this is played.
My comment was in regards to the fact that Americans choosing to display their US patriotism should not be considered controversial. I have no issues with Cinco De Mayo but I do have issues with Mexican culture trumping US culture in our country - Mexico has not owned the Southwest since 1846 (164 years ago) so folks need to really get over this whole issue about Mexico being the former owner of the Southwest and that justifies disrespect for US customs and laws.
My comment was in regards to the fact that Americans choosing to display their US patriotism should not be considered controversial. I have no issues with Cinco De Mayo but I do have issues with Mexican culture trumping US culture in our country - Mexico has not owned the Southwest since 1846 (164 years ago) so folks need to really get over this whole issue about Mexico being the former owner of the Southwest and that justifies disrespect for US customs and laws.
Where is it written that people whose ancestors lived in the lands they called home but where they are now considered "illegal aliens" should get over it? You can't control how people wish to remember their history. This idea that "1846 was long ago", and "everybody does it" (i.e. everyone attacks everyone else) strike me as attempts to sweep these issues under the rug, hoping that others will simply forget. The call to move on is self-serving. It's kinda like a rapist admitting that he raped you, but "that was a long time ago, rape is very common, can we move on now please?"
Yawn. If that's your logic, then you shouldn't complain if the US is reclaimed by Mexico through immigration (legal or illegal). By your logic, there's nothing unfair about Mexicans asserting their heritage in the US. It's just a fact of life. What makes you think the US is exempt from this ever changing of demographics that you describe? Did time stop when the US Anglo-Saxon culture displaced previous inhabitants in the continent? Why should the rules of history be different for you? The "browning" of America is no different than the process you describe which replaces one ethnic group with another. It's fair game.
Yes, and a country protecting itself from that sort of degradation is exactly what the US is doing, and so the war of conquest goes on and on. And you admit to the reconquista fantasy. It's ok, we all know that those students love mexico more than the US, except they don't want to live there because the US is clearly a better place to live.
Perhaps you relish the idea of the US turning into a failed narco state like Mexico, where opportunity is far less than the US and people are so desperate they risk life and limb to flee, I suppose that is the kind of country you want, but for the rest of us, we actually like the opportunity and freedom the US stands for. As for your bigoted insinuation that the browning of america means loss of freedom and third worldism, well, as I said earlier, perhaps you relish failed narco states. Leftists, always idolizing the destruction of the US.
Yes, and a country protecting itself from that sort of degradation is exactly what the US is doing, and so the war of conquest goes on and on. And you admit to the reconquista fantasy. It's ok, we all know that those students love mexico more than the US, except they don't want to live there because the US is clearly a better place to live.
Perhaps you relish the idea of the US turning into a failed narco state like Mexico, where opportunity is far less than the US and people are so desperate they risk life and limb to flee, I suppose that is the kind of country you want, but for the rest of us, we actually like the opportunity and freedom the US stands for. As for your bigoted insinuation that the browning of america means loss of freedom and third worldism, well, as I said earlier, perhaps you relish failed narco states. Leftists, always idolizing the destruction of the US.
It doesn't matter whether you think the US is better than Mexico. It's irrelevant. By your own logic, conquest happens. It's part of life. One tribe replaces another. Mexicans coming to the US is no different than that. If it's okay for the US to grab Mexican land, it's okay for Mexico (via immigration) to grab it back. I know this gives you nightmares. Imagine being outnumbered by Hispanics. That means loss of political power for you.....loss of all the perks and entitlements that you have come to enjoy.
Actually, it is wrong to say that Mexicans are coming to the US. They have always been here, long before the US annexed the southwest.
People like you have no qualms justifying the invasion of other countries (Hawaii is another example of a sovereign nation that the US forcibly annexed when it overthrew the Queen of Hawaii in 1893). But when the same thing is done to you, you get your panties in a bunch. You whine on City Data about how bad these foreigners are for coming here bringing their own cultures here, disrespecting American traditions. Did it ever occur to you that the biggest invader of other countries is the United States? We occupy their lands, manipulate their politics, assassinate their leaders....etc etc....What goes around comes around.
My comment was in regards to the fact that Americans choosing to display their US patriotism should not be considered controversial. I have no issues with Cinco De Mayo but I do have issues with Mexican culture trumping US culture in our country - Mexico has not owned the Southwest since 1846 (164 years ago) so folks need to really get over this whole issue about Mexico being the former owner of the Southwest and that justifies disrespect for US customs and laws.
Students trying to stir trouble should be dealt with accordingly. These kids were not patriots. They were attention seekers. Mission accomplished for them.
These Mexicans that come here and rant about their "pride" I would like to ask what the h*ll they are proud of? Mexico and every other brown country is a cesspool of violence drug lords with governments so corrupt the people will risk dying to leave. Pride. What a joke!
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