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Old 09-16-2011, 05:36 PM
 
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I said no such thing.

There is no such law. You were lying when you claimed there was.
There was a 1958 law in place in Indonesia... Only Indonesian citizens may have attended the schools Barry Soetoro attended...
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Old 09-16-2011, 05:38 PM
 
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It also says he was born in Hawaii.

I.e. a natural born US citizen.
The US Supreme Court disagrees and you know it. Natural born citizens are born in the US to citizen parents.
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Old 09-16-2011, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The US Supreme Court disagrees and you know it. Natural born citizens are born in the US to citizen parents.
Wrong again.

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It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.


III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.
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Old 09-16-2011, 05:41 PM
 
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No... you said:


Prove it or admit the lie.
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The US Supreme Court disagrees and you know it. Natural born citizens are born in the US to citizen parents.
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I said no such thing.

There is no such law. You were lying when you claimed there was.

Was Obama an Indonesian citizen?

Evidence continues to mount that President Obama was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, raising concerns over his presidential eligibility.

Read more: Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? Was Obama an Indonesian citizen?


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Old 09-16-2011, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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There was a 1958 law in place in Indonesia... Only Indonesian citizens may have attended the schools Barry Soetoro attended...
No such Indonesian law has ever existed.

Link it or admit the lie.
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Old 09-16-2011, 05:43 PM
 
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You're the one who said you read the law... If you don't have a link... You are a liar...
So wait, YOU claim that you have to be a citizen of Indonesia in order to attend school, and WE ask you for your PROOF of this claim and you are the one calling me a liar?

Your CLAIM. You provide the proof. YOU said that 1958 law says only citizens can attend schools. I asked for proof, then you turn around and say I have to provide the proof.

What kind bassackwards kind of argument is that?



Here is the law:
UNHCR | Refworld | Law No. 62 of 1958, Law on the Citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia

Please show us where in the law the citizenship requirement for those to attend school.

The only "law" ever talked about in Indonesia about citizens and school had to do with a restriction for those who were citizens ALREADY , couldn't attend Chinese language schools

Nationalism and ethnic conflict in ... - Google Books

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“The government banned Indonesian citizens from attending alien schools which meant that Indonesian Chinese could no longer attend Chinese language schools." - Page 63


"The regime sided with the assimilationist perspective of the LPKB, instead of the integrationist approach that Baperki had propounded. Chinese Indonesians who had joined the anti-communist movement and who were close to the regime viewed assimilation as the best option. The New Order regime consequently adopted policies to eliminate the distinctions marking Chinese Indonesians from other Indonesian citizens. It banned alien schools and urged all Chinese (citizens and non-citizens) to attend Indonesian national schools." - Page 65
Indonesian Constitution at the time (1945) didn't specifically exclude non-citizens from education

Constitution of Indonesia
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Old 09-16-2011, 05:44 PM
 
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No such Indonesian law has ever existed.

Link it or admit the lie.

UNHCR | Refworld | Law No. 62 of 1958, Law on the Citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia

The elementary schools Barry Soetoro attended required Indonesian citizenship...
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Old 09-16-2011, 05:45 PM
 
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Showing all the fake pdf layers created on Adobe Illustrator...

you do know that any document you scan to PDF will create layers wehn opened in Illustrator? Any person who's worked with these graphic programs knows this already..

And since the PDF wasn't made with an Adobe product, your argument is moot.
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Old 09-16-2011, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Evidence continues to mount that President Obama was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, raising concerns over his presidential eligibility.
There is no evidence that Obama was ever adopted by Lolo Soetoro, but it doesn't matter anyway. Under US law, that would have zero impact on Obama's US citizenship.
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Old 09-16-2011, 05:47 PM
 
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UNHCR | Refworld | Law No. 62 of 1958, Law on the Citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia

The elementary schools Barry Soetoro attended required Indonesian citizenship...
Quote exactly where it says anything close to that in the law you linked to.
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