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Old 05-30-2010, 01:51 PM
 
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"Pro-American"??? You're going to get a different definition for that phrase depending on whom you ask.

And that's the great thing about our country. We have the absolute right to discuss and disagree on what it means to be "Pro-American".

To me, being "Pro-American" doesn't mean I have to be "anti-any other country/nationality".
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Old 05-30-2010, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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Simple.... Pro-American to me means understanding the Constitution, accepting its premises, and acknowledging that every American has the same rights as any group or individual. Acceptance of responsibility, willingness to work for personal gain, etc. I believe in Christ, but I don't condemn someone who doesn't, however, I am condemned for doing so. I believe American's believe that our nation is a God fearing nation which doesn't mean any individual has to, and if you don't you don't condemn those who do or the nation for being "one nation, under God" as the eighteenth century patriots obviously accepted and/or endorsed. I think it's un-American to condemn the Constition, especially if they haven't read it.
The constitution is not a perfect document and this isn't the 18th century. Things do change and accepting that change doesn't make one Pro or Anti-American. The constitution depicts African-Americans as less than whole human beings. I have no idea what "God fearing nation" means when we start wars all over the world.

In many respects, it's my experience that people that proclaim themselves pro-American are of the mindset that America as originally constituted was without fault or error. That's simply not true. You can be "pro-America" and admit that the country has faults and seek to improve them.
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Old 05-30-2010, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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The constitution depicts African-Americans as less than whole human beings.
Not anymore.
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Old 05-30-2010, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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Not anymore.
That's my point. There were vile things in the constitution that were amended and there are still things that need improvement or change. I personally think it is un-American to claim that someone is un-American for voicing there concern about aspects of the constitution, which was the last line of the OPs definition. It's completely American to voice concerns about whatever you want which is protected by the constitution. Without those voices, some of those vile things might still be law.
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Old 05-30-2010, 03:43 PM
 
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Amendments are part of the Constitution and have been since it was ratified. The first 10 amendments were part of the Constitution from the very beginning.
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Old 05-30-2010, 03:48 PM
 
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Define Pro-American.
love YOUR christian god and your country

/sarcasm
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Old 05-30-2010, 03:53 PM
 
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I disagree. The selfish special interest groups have no interest in being pro-American unless its pro their interest.

Hey what'd know, the pro race victims hit this on the second post !
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Old 05-30-2010, 03:57 PM
 
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The constitution is not a perfect document and this isn't the 18th century. Things do change and accepting that change doesn't make one Pro or Anti-American. The constitution depicts African-Americans as less than whole human beings. I have no idea what "God fearing nation" means when we start wars all over the world.

In many respects, it's my experience that people that proclaim themselves pro-American are of the mindset that America as originally constituted was without fault or error. That's simply not true. You can be "pro-America" and admit that the country has faults and seek to improve them.

Show us all where the Constitution " dispicts blacks as less than whole human beings " [ no such thing as African American]
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Old 05-31-2010, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Louisville KY Metro area
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love YOUR christian god and your country

/sarcasm
I think you just proved my point better than any other post. You had to go negative. This is sad.
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Old 05-31-2010, 08:04 AM
 
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I personally think it is un-American to claim that someone is un-American for voicing there concern about aspects of the constitution, which was the last line of the OPs definition.
So you're saying that it's OK for you to make a claim that other people can't make, because your way is right and their way is wrong.

That's perfect. It goes a long way to proving the OP's point.
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