Tilikum Crossing is UGLY (steel, weight, bridge)

[CanuckInPortland]

Originally Posted by pdxMIKEpdx

Funny, I make a post at 11:19 and use the word "socialist"; the last time that word was used in this thread was way back in October.
You made your insulting post about "Socialist Portland" at 11:21.


Coincidence?
I think not.


The great thing about Portland is that everybody is still entitled to their own opinions, and since they are opinions, no one is ever right or wrong....


Have a nice day.


Speaking about coincidences, it's peculiar that you and the other responder to my post have extremely similar writing styles and opinions about Portland, and both of you seem to have some issues with me.

Are you two related?

Wow, you have a lot of time on your hands, mate. And you weren't the first one to comment on the socialist connotation of the name Bridge of the Peoples on this thread. I'll leave you to conduct the rest of your investigation Sherlock Holmes and hopefully you will stop taking things so personal and trying to slander someone.

I don't think I'm related to that poster--unless they have Scottish or English or Czech or Chinese ancestors who came through Canada. Then perhaps we are!

[urbanlife78]

Originally Posted by pdxMIKEpdx

Also, at a population of 600,000, I wouldn't classify Portland as a "big" city.

I would consider it a "cute" medium sized city that is still in the bush leagues.
Unless being 29th in the nation is considered "big".

As far as world "big" cities go, we aren't even close to being on the list.

Portland is 29th in city size in this country with a population of 609K, Seattle is 21st in city size in this country with a population of 652K. I personally would consider Seattle to be a big city and the difference between Portland and Seattle is 41K, not really that much of a difference, so yes, I would consider both Portland and Seattle to be big cities in the US.

Maybe you consider what is "big" is much different than my personal opinion, but that is why it is called a "personal opinion."

[pdxMIKEpdx]

Originally Posted by CanuckInPortland

Wow, you have a lot of time on your hands, mate. And you weren't the first one to comment on the socialist connotation of the name Bridge of the Peoples on this thread. I'll leave you to conduct the rest of your investigation Sherlock Holmes and hopefully you will stop taking things so personal and trying to slander someone.

I don't think I'm related to that poster--unless they have Scottish or English or Czech or Chinese ancestors who came through Canada. Then perhaps we are!

Well OK, then.

I did note in my earlier post that the only other time the word "socialist" was used in this thread, was by only one other poster back in October.

The was found out by using the search function which took less than 10 seconds.
No Sherlock Holmes action there!
I guess you may have been responding to that October post.
Maybe you should have used "quotes" so that was clear?

What's with all the hate, mean words, and sour attitude???
Nothing "personal" going on my side!
Perhaps you are reading something into it that just plain isn't there?

Please try to have a nice day?

[pdxMIKEpdx]

Originally Posted by urbanlife78

Portland is 29th in city size in this country with a population of 609K, Seattle is 21st in city size in this country with a population of 652K. I personally would consider Seattle to be a big city and the difference between Portland and Seattle is 41K, not really that much of a difference, so yes, I would consider both Portland and Seattle to be big cities in the US.

Maybe you consider what is "big" is much different than my personal opinion, but that is why it is called a "personal opinion."

IMHO, Portland doesn't compare to Seattle at all even if the population is close.

Apples to Oranges in so many ways.

Portland is like Seattle's bumpkin backwoods cousin and Portland will never, ever enjoy the "big city" status Seattle has.



Saying that Portland is as "big city" as Seattle is ludicrous.


Here's an idea, why don't we try to stay on topic?

[urbanlife78]

Originally Posted by pdxMIKEpdx

IMHO, Portland doesn't compare to Seattle at all even if the population is close.

Apples to Oranges in so many ways.

Portland is like Seattle's bumpkin backwoods cousin and Portland will never, ever enjoy the "big city" status Seattle has.



Saying that Portland is as "big city" as Seattle is ludicrous.


Here's an idea, why don't we try to stay on topic?

Okay, as I said we all have different opinions on what is considered to make a city big. Not really important, so yes let's try to stay on topic.

[Nell Plotts]

There has been talk of a west side bypass for 40 years, at least. The major barrier is the ridge of hills that parallel Hgy 30 and where to go from there - how to cross the Columbia River. Transportation folks have considered hop-scotching across Sauvie Island, then the west end of Hayden Island. Because of the length of spans and the structural strength of the soils (basically sedimentary) that would be hugely expensive.

[urbanlife78]

Originally Posted by Nell Plotts

There has been talk of a west side bypass for 40 years, at least. The major barrier is the ridge of hills that parallel Hgy 30 and where to go from there - how to cross the Columbia River. Transportation folks have considered hop-scotching across Sauvie Island, then the west end of Hayden Island. Because of the length of spans and the structural strength of the soils (basically sedimentary) that would be hugely expensive.

But that doesn't stop people from blaming that on Portland and the city wanting to have a transportation system.

[Nell Plotts]

A lot of folks haven't accepted the fact that you can't build enough freeways to eliminate congestion and that transit, as a part of our transportation system, is the best option.

[urbanlife78]

Originally Posted by Nell Plotts

A lot of folks haven't accepted the fact that you can't build enough freeways to eliminate congestion and that transit, as a part of our transportation system, is the best option.

I do think a westside bypass is probably needed but how it would be paid for and where it would go and the issues it would have, I have no idea how they would handle that.

As I always say, everyone wants a new freeway until it is planned to cut through their neighborhood.

[AndyAMG]

After seeing the night light testing in person it's a pretty cool gimmick. At one point they had it lit up with green towers and yellow, the it was lit up bright orange, then another night I was driving home it changed from a blue to a green slowly. Pretty neat. It looks like the bridges Europe has been building since the 50s, and just as with everything else we eventually adopt their way years later. And of course it looks out of place the last bridge built in Portland was four decades ago.

The real reason they haven't built a west bypass is that it is pointless, and building it will create problem where none existed before. ODOT did surveys of traffic patterns and found that there are very few people who live in Clark county and work in Washington County. The VAST majority work in Multnomah County or northern Clackamas County. In other words if they build a bypass it won't help current traffic woes and it will create a glut of people moving to Clark County to get cheaper housing and commuting to Hillsboro. In other other words, a West side bypass would screw Oregon and help Washington. Not to mention eminent domain and the engineering challenges of such a project.

A bridge built there would require a deck height of 205 feet and a span of 3,800 feet just to cross the river and 2,500 feet on each side to keep the gradient acceptable to semis. Then, there is nowhere acceptable to connect to or from to be of any use. Large Corportations such as Union Pacific and the Port of Vancouver own the swaths of land required to connect I-5/SR14 to SR 503. Once you get on Sauvie Island Eminent domain will again be a problem, not to mention most of SI is a wetland. Then you would have to build yet another bridge 1200+ feet long. A tunnel would have to be built through the west hills 27 times longer than the vista tunnel. Then good luck getting any Bethany landowner to give up their land. It would essentially be the Vancouver to Intel road, it would do nothing to alleviate traffic on I-5 or 205. It would cost 2.2 billion according to a 1999 study. So today it would cost 4 billion. Not to mention the EIS work and the enviro wackos and the NIMBYS.... Now you can see why the never built it.

Personally, I say people get what they deserve if they live in Clark Co. and work in Oregon, and screw the state of Washington.

Anyway, I think the new bridge looks great and I'm excited to see what The Park Av. West tower will look like, its amazing how tall it is. I thought they were limiting it to 420ft but its toping out just a 35 feet under the Bancorp tower. It's a nice addition to the skyline.