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Old 08-28-2013, 03:19 PM
 
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Let's say some basic calculations have to be performed to solve one of his homework problems. Is it OK if she keys in a couple numbers onto the calculator for him? Let's say that's all she does in terms of his earning the degree. Was that unethical? Would you do it? Where do you draw the line?

 
Old 08-28-2013, 03:26 PM
 
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plmokn, I don't know about you, but in my world (one in which I raised five kids to adulthood), it's pretty easy to tell the difference between HELPING and CHEATING. Helping is helping a person reason through a problem or concept. Helping is reviewing papers and giving feedback. Helping can even go so far as reading a required book or studying alongside the other person so that you can help them work through a particularly hard concept.

Cheating is taking tests for them, writing papers, doing assignments, logging in online as if you are the student, etc. Which is what, by the way, the OP's husband is asking her to do. He's not asking her to key in a few numbers on a calculator for him while he's sitting there doing the assignment.
 
Old 08-28-2013, 03:27 PM
 
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Let's say some basic calculations have to be performed to solve one of his homework problems. Is it OK if she keys in a couple numbers onto the calculator for him? Let's say that's all she does in terms of his earning the degree. Was that unethical? Would you do it? Where do you draw the line?
Ah, now we get into the degrees of ethics.

Yes, helping him plug numbers into a calculator would be ethically "okay" to me, and probably to most reasonable people.

This sounds like he's just reading her numbers out loud, and she's keying them in, and he gets the answer (we're assuming that calculators are allowed here.)

If she were to complete his entire homework assignment for him, I would consider that unethical. Do people do it? Yes, too much in my opinion. But helping someone do something is different from doing it FOR them.

Also, the OP is talking about doing ALL the required coursework, for which the husband will receive a degree. If he did not perform the course work himself, then ethically, he's not entitled to that degree. We can also assume that he'll get some added benefit in his employment when he gets this degree. Maybe he gets a raise for having a Master's. But if he did not earn that Master's himself, now we're getting into actual fraud approaching a criminal level.
 
Old 08-28-2013, 10:06 PM
 
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My only and immediate response was, "oh hell no."

That's exactly what I would tell your husband.
 
Old 08-29-2013, 04:28 AM
 
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Ah, now we get into the degrees of ethics.

Yes, helping him plug numbers into a calculator would be ethically "okay" to me, and probably to most reasonable people.

This sounds like he's just reading her numbers out loud, and she's keying them in, and he gets the answer (we're assuming that calculators are allowed here.)

If she were to complete his entire homework assignment for him, I would consider that unethical. Do people do it? Yes, too much in my opinion. But helping someone do something is different from doing it FOR them.

Also, the OP is talking about doing ALL the required coursework, for which the husband will receive a degree. If he did not perform the course work himself, then ethically, he's not entitled to that degree. We can also assume that he'll get some added benefit in his employment when he gets this degree. Maybe he gets a raise for having a Master's. But if he did not earn that Master's himself, now we're getting into actual fraud approaching a criminal level.
I agree. As I said earlier, I offered to provide help by proofreading and helping him change grammar and spelling errors but he wants me to take the entire class for him and write my name to it. I look at it the same way as using my signature to embezzle money.
 
Old 08-29-2013, 06:04 AM
 
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Tristan: Continue to stand your ground in this. A lot of parents of children with special needs can get trapped into a situation where their choices are limited. Don't let yourself get into that situation. I am so glad to hear that you have your master's degree so that you will be able to get a decent position. I would be furious in your situation. You have to do what you have to do and he needs to do the same.
 
Old 08-29-2013, 06:49 AM
 
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Let's say some basic calculations have to be performed to solve one of his homework problems. Is it OK if she keys in a couple numbers onto the calculator for him? Let's say that's all she does in terms of his earning the degree. Was that unethical? Would you do it? Where do you draw the line?
This is a bit of a straw man argument. I help my high schoolers with their homework. But I don't do the work for them.
 
Old 08-29-2013, 07:54 AM
 
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After YOU complete the course, do you get a raise?

(Whatsamatter with your husband? He should be ashamed).
 
Old 08-29-2013, 08:00 AM
 
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So it's OK as long as her payoff is good enough?
Yes, because it is perfectly legal.

Ethics and morals are relative. Anybody can say anything is unethical.

The examples I used above (managers, professors) is perfectly acceptable and few people consider it unethical.
 
Old 08-29-2013, 08:02 AM
 
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Cheating is taking tests for them,
I didn't read anything about taking tests for him.
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