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Old 03-07-2017, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Empire State of Philly
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Hi all,

So it seems I have finally found a therapist I click with. We had a small chat on the phone about a week ago and she was very insightful. I absolutely felt understood.

I had already attended therapy when I was in college a few years back and it was bad. The (male) therapist said I was flirting with him (which I was not), focused on my so-called 'privileged' background and even told me I was lying about my childhood abuse (at which point, I stopped the sessions since it was pointless to talk to someone who didn't believe me when all of my core issues stem from this pain).

This time around, I'm seeking professional help with a therapist who seems highly qualified and I'm paying the proportionate price. I really want this to work for me.

Have you ever successfully undergone therapy? How long does it take to finally see progress? How is the progress noticed?
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Old 03-07-2017, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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It's not one size fits all.

Generally speaking, if you are committed to learning about and working on mental health, and taking proactive steps to address issues you are having (which may or may not include therapy), you are likely to see improvement. Finding a provider who is a good fit is also part of the process.

People who don't are often people who enter in with attitudes that they, personally, won't need to work on or change anything themselves, and/or that mental health professionals are either auto mechanics who will tinker and fix things for them, or magicians who will just wave a wand, and, poof, things are fixed.

Most of the work of therapy is done under one's own steam, and desire to understand and make appropriate changes.
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Old 03-07-2017, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Crook County, Hellinois
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I had already attended therapy when I was in college a few years back and it was bad. The (male) therapist said I was flirting with him (which I was not), focused on my so-called 'privileged' background and even told me I was lying about my childhood abuse (at which point, I stopped the sessions since it was pointless to talk to someone who didn't believe me when all of my core issues stem from this pain).
My experience was pretty negative too. The difference was that I did therapy as a kid, so "flirting" wasn't even in the equation. But the "didn't believe me" part was exactly the same. The therapist would ask me: "How did this-and-that make you feel?" I'd give an answer. The therapist would turn around and say: "No, that's not what you felt."

Now, how do you respond to that?
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Old 03-07-2017, 03:53 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Congrats on finding a good therapist, OP! And absolutely--a good therapist can help you overcome your self-defeating stuff, whatever it is, and heal from early abuse. Let us know how it goes in general--good luck!

After referring some students to college counseling centers when I was an undergrad advisor, and getting weird feedback from them, I looked into it. I discovered that not all of the "counselors" they have there are in clinical psych programs. A few are getting a degree in educational counseling, which isn't about doing deep psych work, family trauma stuff, etc. Others are getting MSW degrees--ditto.

And as is true with counselors out in the world (vs. in uni health centers), you get a variety of personalities, some of whom haven't done their own work and resolved their own issues, so that can get in the way. (Counselors who argue with the client and fight them, like yours, lol---sad, but crazy/funny). Also, you may get people who are trained very narrowly, for ex., they only do the type of "therapy" where the counselor sits like a bump on a log taking notes while the client is supposed blather on about his/her issues. This doesn't work for a lot of people.

So it's very much a mixed bag. It's a real blessing that you found a good one. Run with it!
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Old 03-07-2017, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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Congrats on finding a good therapist, OP! And absolutely--a good therapist can help you overcome your self-defeating stuff, whatever it is, and heal from early abuse. Let us know how it goes in general--good luck!

After referring some students to college counseling centers when I was an undergrad advisor, and getting weird feedback from them, I looked into it. I discovered that not all of the "counselors" they have there are in clinical psych programs. A few are getting a degree in educational counseling, which isn't about doing deep psych work, family trauma stuff, etc. Others are getting MSW degrees--ditto.

And as is true with counselors out in the world (vs. in uni health centers), you get a variety of personalities, some of whom haven't done their own work and resolved their own issues, so that can get in the way. (Counselors who argue with the client and fight them, like yours, lol---sad, but crazy/funny). Also, you may get people who are trained very narrowly, for ex., they only do the type of "therapy" where the counselor sits like a bump on a log taking notes while the client is supposed blather on about his/her issues. This doesn't work for a lot of people.

So it's very much a mixed bag. It's a real blessing that you found a good one. Best wishes!
Campus counseling centers very often employ grad students doing their clinical practicum, but they are required to be under supervision of fully licensed mental health professionals while in practicum.
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Old 03-07-2017, 04:14 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Campus counseling centers very often employ grad students doing their clinical practicum, but they are required to be under supervision of fully licensed mental health professionals while in practicum.
Thanks, I was hoping you'd chime in. Are they mostly grad students, or do they also have professionals that students could request? I know campus crisis centers have experienced professionals, but the regular center, for long-term counseling, needs those, too.
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Old 03-07-2017, 04:41 PM
 
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Father of psychoanalysis, Mr Freud, said, when asked what exactly is that he does, this:

I make neurotically unhappy people normally unhappy.

Did it answer your question?
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Old 03-07-2017, 05:08 PM
 
Location: in my mind
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You can help jump-start your therapy (and ultimately save yourself some money due to fewer sessions) by reading this book - Reinventing Your Life.

There are some questionnaires in the beginning which help you identify negative patterns in your life (patterns in thoughts, feelings, and behavior). Once you identify which core negative patterns are affecting your life, the book helps you develop insight into how the pattern got there, and what you can do to change it.

The book does not replace a good therapist, but it would greatly speed up the process, and help your therapist gain much quicker insight into your issues. You can bring the book in and show the therapist how you answered the questions, and then use that to start identifying the patterns in your life you want to work on in therapy.

The book is based on a model called Schema Therapy. I did a quick google search and found this nice PDF which describes how the therapy works. I would say the book is a bit easier to understand, but the PDF does give you an idea of what its all about.
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Old 03-07-2017, 06:04 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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It appears you did an "intake" on the phone? You haven't seen this psychologist in person yet?

Seems a bit premature to make an opinion although having a good phone chat indicates a good chance your real intake appointment will be good. I doubt you will have a good basis to decide until 3-5 appointments, and remember it's always an ongoing process. It is sometimes necessary to change counselors.

Yes, of course counseling works. Except there has to be a good match between counselor and patient. Patient has to make up their own mind whether it helps, and has to consider whether present counselor or somebody else would help more. I see no reason to not try a different one, then go back to first one if it doesn't work out.

The only rule I know is most healthcare insurance policies are limited to one visit per week. If you are trying different counselors do it in different weeks.
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Old 03-07-2017, 06:22 PM
 
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Nope. 95% of therapists suck. Very clueless people in it for the wrong reason.
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