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View Poll Results: Where Do You Put Yourself on a Feminine/Masculine Scale?
Super Masculine 24 17.91%
Super Feminine 19 14.18%
Medium Masculine 34 25.37%
Medium Feminine 27 20.15%
A Little Masculine 13 9.70%
A Little Feminine 11 8.21%
Other: Please explain in comments 6 4.48%
Voters: 134. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-07-2021, 02:30 PM
 
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I do understand most of the language. Did you possibly get interested in the sport at a later time in your life and have followed it only as a spectator? I've pretty much followed it since I was a kid. I also played in organized leagues. I even play video game basketball with clans, so I've had lots of direct interaction where the tactics and strategies are broken down further. My video game character is a large center, so on offense, he sets a lot of screens (picks) and then rolls to the basket if the shooter he's setting the pick for still doesn't have enough space to shoot and needs to pass. My center also is good at boxing out for rebounds. On defense, I prefer to play man to man instead of zone. But that's my video game character. In real life, I'm a small woman, so I tended to play guard. There's no opportunity for women's basketball in my city, though, so I haven't played in a number of years. The leagues I played in were rec leagues, and I was just a kid. In my twenties, when I had a YMCA membership, I played a lot of pickup basketball, though, and sometimes even against guys. With all those direct experiences, I've absorbed almost all of the lingo, tactics, strategies, and rules.
I played on a "team" in P.E. in high school, but don't remember anything really being explained, and yes, I became a fan later in life.

After much study and inquiry, I do know all of the terms you used (pick and roll, boxing out, man-to-man vs. zone defense, etc.) The thing is that when the game is playing, I can't easily see the screens because I'm always looking at the current ball carrier - don't seem to be able to notice the nuances that they talk about.

What is "video game basketball with clans?" Does that mean you play with family? I wonder if it would help me learn by playing basketball video games? (Never even knew it was a thing.)

I wish I knew the game better, including all of the language.

I impressed myself early on by learning what "English" is and "Euro-step." I would need a trainer to explain everything to me.

I assumed it was some kind of guy thing where they are immersed in the language and learn that way - but I don't know if it really has anything at all to do with the sexes or just the way the game has been programmed towards mainly men.

Like another poster, I don't even know what masculine and feminine traits are anymore . . . just what I have learned to associate with them, so it's all definitely socially constructed.
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Old 05-07-2021, 03:03 PM
 
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I played on a "team" in P.E. in high school, but don't remember anything really being explained, and yes, I became a fan later in life.

After much study and inquiry, I do know all of the terms you used (pick and roll, boxing out, man-to-man vs. zone defense, etc.) The thing is that when the game is playing, I can't easily see the screens because I'm always looking at the current ball carrier - don't seem to be able to notice the nuances that they talk about.

What is "video game basketball with clans?" Does that mean you play with family? I wonder if it would help me learn by playing basketball video games? (Never even knew it was a thing.)

I wish I knew the game better, including all of the language.

I impressed myself early on by learning what "English" is and "Euro-step." I would need a trainer to explain everything to me.

I assumed it was some kind of guy thing where they are immersed in the language and learn that way - but I don't know if it really has anything at all to do with the sexes or just the way the game has been programmed towards mainly men.

Like another poster, I don't even know what masculine and feminine traits are anymore . . . just what I have learned to associate with them, so it's all definitely socially constructed.

I used to focus on the current ball carrier for years, too. If you can get past that tendency, you can start to see the other parts of the play developing. It can take a bit of time, but it's fun to watch off-ball, too.


Clans in basketball video games are just people you play with often together. I've picked up some nuances of the game that I often overlooked when I was merely watching as a fan.


There are some studies in neuroscience indicating that men have more 'localized' gray matter in the brain (Daniel Amen), and gray matter is geared toward more specialized understanding within specific spheres. This might help explain why men often become experts in more technical subjects, whether it's the fine details of sports or the mathematical precision of engineering. Nonetheless, women can still focus intently on grit as well. It might just take a bit longer to make all those compartmentalized connections.
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Old 05-07-2021, 03:12 PM
 
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Just wondering where you put yourself.
What would qualify as “super” “medium” and “little”? Why do we need made up labels, don’t you think we already have enough pseudo psychology?
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Old 05-07-2021, 04:50 PM
 
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I assumed it was some kind of guy thing where they are immersed in the language and learn that way - but I don't know if it really has anything at all to do with the sexes or just the way the game has been programmed towards mainly men.
Basketball (or sports) is thought of as a 'guy thing', generally speaking; but relevant point being, there is no standard by which to declare I'm 89% masculine because I (still) play (pickup) basketball (and watch the NFL/NBA), I'm in a male-dominated profession, and I like supercars as well as sailing. Give me a deduction relative to 14% because I don't chew tobacco or chop wood, and I like museums - but a 3% bonus for heavy stubble when I don't shave. It's ridiculous. :-)

Furthermore, other people's perception plays a significant role in how they interact with us (or not) as 'initial impression' is typically based in re: appearance (relative to masculinity/femininity), particularly for romantic relationships. This, in turn, has an effect on how people perceive themselves - as evidenced by those who appear (almost) defensive or angry if they don't feel they fit the 'mold', as if they are being 'forced'.

That said, if one is psychologically healthy (in who or what they are, regardless), it's not an issue - which is the biggest takeaway of the thread relative to a Psychology Forum.
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Old 05-07-2021, 04:57 PM
 
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What would qualify as “super” “medium” and “little”? Why do we need made up labels, don’t you think we already have enough pseudo psychology?
It wasn't that serious.

Scroll on if of no interest to you.
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Old 08-05-2021, 12:51 PM
 
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I think I'm a feminine man, mentally speaking, and I believe a positive thing in todays world. By this, I think that cooperative > competitive, empathy and communication > determination and production in the workplace - EQ is as important if not moreso than IQ, and generalists seem to be more adaptable than specialists (which seems to be a more masculine trait). From an investing standpoint, women statistically do better than men because they are less overconfident and less prone to excessive risk.

Just 3 generations ago, things like physical strength were needed for most jobs, aggression was necessary in a much more hostile world, people were a lot more self employed or self provisioning, and risks were more inevitable. Ladies actually did need a lot more physical protection. The world has changed so much though in 100 years!

I don't feel like I'm in the wrong body or need to transition, physically I'm happy with who I am, though even here I'd rather have good skin and look young than be ripped or look tough. But as has been said, being yourself and comfortable with who you are is best, people seem to be turned off by those who try too hard to be overly feminine or masculine.

Also, have you seen an athletic gym rat type lady (there's lots in somewhere like Colorado) ever have a boyfriend who is at least as toned if not moreso than them. In some ways opposites attract, but on this spectrum, it actually seems like masculine people attract each other based on similar interests and mentalities and vice versa.

It is interesting that the poll skews masculine in all categories despite the psychology forum probably being more frequented by females!

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Old 08-05-2021, 12:59 PM
 
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I think I'm a feminine man, mentally speaking, and I believe a positive thing in todays world.



Are you saying that it’s less positive to be a masculine man? Or...are you saying you are embracing how you feel separate from your gender?^^ The important thing ofc....is that you be yourself.


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It is interesting that the poll skews masculine in all categories despite the psychology forum probably being more frequented by females!



ITA there are more women regularly in the forum but most of them think feminine means “dumb”...unless it’s on a man like you.^^ I think I’m in the minority of women who said feminine. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Love it tho.

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Old 08-05-2021, 02:06 PM
 
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Are you saying that it’s less positive to be a masculine man? Or...are you saying you are embracing how you feel separate from your gender?^^ The important thing ofc....is that you be yourself.

ITA there are more women regularly in the forum but most of them think feminine is a dirty word...unless it’s on a man like you.^^ I think I’m in the minority of women who said feminine.
Moreso that todays world has changed a lot and many traits associated with the feminine mindset are more valuable today than they were in times prior. Females have adapted to the changing times by jumping into the "mans world" of careers, adventure, leadership, sports etc pretty quickly... But males have been less likely to reciprocate, and that's a loss on their part IMO. Like look at sports and achievement, how heavily that's pushed, how much do they benefit kids once they become adults? More interaction and less achievement focused upbringing would probably be beneficial. It's like guys and girls both think feminine is something more to be avoided lol.
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Old 08-05-2021, 02:10 PM
 
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Moreso that todays world has changed a lot and many traits associated with the feminine mindset are more valuable today than they were in times prior. Females have adapted to the changing times by jumping into the "mans world" of careers, adventure, leadership, sports etc pretty quickly... But males have been less likely to reciprocate, and that's a loss on their part IMO. Like look at sports and achievement, how heavily that's pushed, how much do they benefit kids once they become adults? More interaction and less achievement focused upbringing would probably be beneficial. It's like guys and girls both think feminine is something more to be avoided lol.




Tho I don’t think of traits as being masculine or feminine..IMO it’s super old fashioned to say things like a leader is masculine or being a loving parent is feminine. I only look at it as embracing your gender biologically & physically. It’s 2021.

edit: IMO you limit & stereotype women AND men when you say this.^^ It’s like you’re saying all those things are true & that women have to be masculine to be a leader or adventurous. Nope. We can be feminine & be anything we want.

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Old 08-05-2021, 03:16 PM
 
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Moreso that todays world has changed a lot and many traits associated with the feminine mindset are more valuable today than they were in times prior. Females have adapted to the changing times by jumping into the "mans world" of careers, adventure, leadership, sports etc pretty quickly... But males have been less likely to reciprocate, and that's a loss on their part IMO. Like look at sports and achievement, how heavily that's pushed, how much do they benefit kids once they become adults? More interaction and less achievement focused upbringing would probably be beneficial. It's like guys and girls both think feminine is something more to be avoided lol.
The first thing that comes to mind is there are significantly more male nurses and males teachers.
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