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I think its seems pretty clear, and m378 and I have discussed this before, that COVID is going to roll into our seasonal flu and as such, I would assume the COVID vax would become basically another flu shot, which some people get and some people don't.
I would agree Israel poses a not apples to apple comp in terms of spread (population density etc). But their Hospitalization and Death rates (the far more important numbers as I've been told by folks here), have, since Delta showed up (and they went "yaaa, 3 shots" when Delta arrived) trended very, very differently than the US on a per 100K basis (we are now apparently heading into our 5th wave) while they recorded no COVID deaths something like 4 of the 7 days last week. And to your last point, I have seen Medical Experts state that "fully vaxxed isn't until 3 shots. 1 or 2 simply aren't that". So who knows. Between the "Practice of Medicine" and the Scientific Method, one should expect guidance to change as more data is available (that's how both of these things work, its not some conspiracy when the Medical community learns something and adjusts....its the Scientific Method at work, this isn't to imply you personally don't get that STL, just pointing it out for the broader discussion.) I start a new job on Monday, I had to provide my vax card as part of the offer acceptance process (and realistically, will almost never go to an office - I don't live in Cali or UT or Austin or Boston where the main offices are)
The flu shot doesn't stop the flu. The COVID vax / shot doesn't stop COVID...it just makes it less severe. People gon do what people gon do.
I’m same here. Work remote, but we still were highly encouraged to “voluntarily” update our vax status. Congrats and good luck on the new job!
Question for everyone. Isn't Omicron a GOOD thing? Everything so far points to it being a very contagious variant, with very mild symptoms. If the symptoms are truly mild for almost everyone, shouldn't we be celebrating this?
Question for everyone. Isn't Omicron a GOOD thing? Everything so far points to it being a very contagious variant, with very mild symptoms. If the symptoms are truly mild for almost everyone, shouldn't we be celebrating this?
1. The contagiousness of Omicron is pretty stunning to see graphically when you compare it to the other four waves (Ridhwaan Suliman put up a graph today that charted Omicron versus the other waves in SA. Omicron's near vertical growth basically 30 days earlier than the other 4 waves is a sight to see).
2. It does seem that there are milder symptoms with Omicron, so that is positive.
I'm guessing your point/"shouldn't we be celebrating this?" is coming from the.....hey, a highly contagious, yet mild variant is here....this should shore up the population naturally?
To answer your point, I am not celebrating anything yet. The number of mutations/lineages of Omicron, far earlier than anything we have seen yet (Trevor Bedford has these graphed, also quite a sight to see) makes we wonder if this was Mother Nature's premmy....and with a little more time in the incubator, she could take the best of Omicron and flip it.
Or maybe this is what she has needed to get to (like all viruses)....one that can reproduce effectively without killing the host en masse.
1. The contagiousness of Omicron is pretty stunning to see graphically when you compare it to the other four waves (Ridhwaan Suliman put up a graph today that charted Omicron versus the other waves in SA. Omicron's near vertical growth basically 30 days earlier than the other 4 waves is a sight to see).
2. It does seem that there are milder symptoms with Omicron, so that is positive.
I'm guessing your point/"shouldn't we be celebrating this?" is coming from the.....hey, a highly contagious, yet mild variant is here....this should shore up the population naturally?
To answer your point, I am not celebrating anything yet. The number of mutations/lineages of Omicron, far earlier than anything we have seen yet (Trevor Bedford has these graphed, also quite a sight to see) makes we wonder if this was Mother Nature's premmy....and with a little more time in the incubator, she could take the best of Omicron and flip it.
Or maybe this is what she has needed to get to (like all viruses)....one that can reproduce effectively without killing the host en masse.
Doesn't "the science" say that viruses mutate into milder, but more contagious versions (as you said in your last line)? Isn't that how the 1918 flu eventually fizzled out? Why would we think that Omicron would be more deadly, especially when that hasn't been the case in South Africa?
I just don't understand the panic. Sure lets keep an eye on it, but travel restrictions (when it's already way too late) and media hype? Come on.
I had to laugh too that Wake County is now requiring appointments for Covid tests, and will give priority to those that are symptomatic. What happened to testing as many people as possible, wasn't that the big thing? Why all of a sudden are non-symptomatic people less important? I thought we needed to INCREASE testing, not decrease it?
Doesn't "the science" say that viruses mutate into milder, but more contagious versions (as you said in your last line)? Isn't that how the 1918 flu eventually fizzled out? Why would we think that Omicron would be more deadly, especially when that hasn't been the case in South Africa?
I just don't understand the panic. Sure lets keep an eye on it, but travel restrictions (when it's already way too late) and media hype? Come on.
I had to laugh too that Wake County is now requiring appointments for Covid tests, and will give priority to those that are symptomatic. What happened to testing as many people as possible, wasn't that the big thing? Why all of a sudden are non-symptomatic people less important? I thought we needed to INCREASE testing, not decrease it?
Covid logic is an amazing thing.
My post didn’t imply that Omicron is more deadly. I’m just not of the opinion that Mother Nature is finished quite yet. I don’t believe science says the mutation lineage is perfectly linear - so while it will get milder, on average, over time, there is examples of a virus variant getting more deadly while the overall trend is toward the opposite.
Still Billions of people unvaccinated in the world (Ie mutation reservoirs) for her to play her games.
I am hopeful….but I’ve been that before in the last two years and we’re still in this thing so….
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Hospitalizations are going up in South Africa where most are unvaccinated. I believe it is mild for the vaccinated but not the unvaccinated, even if they've had Covid before.
sounds like the problem with Omicron might be all the hysteria, followed by finding out it's mild, followed by the realization Delta is still 99% of the cases.
30% of hospitalizations in Massachusetts are fully vaxxed right now.
Got my booster but will definitely be keeping an eye on the data in states where they track breakthroughs and breakthrough hospitalizations before deciding on any additional boosters. Not sure why NC doesn't track this stuff.
30% of hospitalizations in Massachusetts are fully vaxxed right now.
Got my booster but will definitely be keeping an eye on the data in states where they track breakthroughs and breakthrough hospitalizations before deciding on any additional boosters. Not sure why NC doesn't track this stuff.
Flip it around. The 10% of people in MA that are not vaccinated account for 70% of hospitalizations.
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