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Old 01-21-2022, 03:06 PM
 
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Massachusetts is now tracking primary versus incidental Covid hospitalizations. Better late than never I guess? Still much further than NC is.

Not surprisingly, about half are incidental.



It's really crazy that this sort of data has not come forth sooner. How come? Why have we been given misleading data for 2 years?
The new variant is different and the news has said this is occurring. There are also less people in the ICU. Don't compare this variant to the others in that respect. There are a lot more people walking around who do not realize they have it.
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Old 01-21-2022, 03:14 PM
 
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The new variant is different and the news has said this is occurring. There are also less people in the ICU. Don't compare this variant to the others in that respect. There are a lot more people walking around who do not realize they have it.
There were plenty of people walking around with previous variants that didn't know they had it.
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Old 01-21-2022, 06:27 PM
 
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There were plenty of people walking around with previous variants that didn't know they had it.
Yes, but not as many. The rush at hospitals was with patients who were critically ill. This wave the symptoms are milder. Hospitals were out of beds due to COVID patients. Please don't try to say the old numbers were inflated. You do not work in healthcare. Housebuilder described it for you over and over. This wave there are countless stories of people saying they had cold symptoms and it turned out to be COVID. That did not happen during prior waves.
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Old 01-21-2022, 06:36 PM
 
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Yes, but not as many. The rush at hospitals was with patients who were critically ill. This wave the symptoms are milder. Hospitals were out of beds due to COVID patients. Please don't try to say the old numbers were inflated. You do not work in healthcare. Housebuilder described it for you over and over. This wave there are countless stories of people saying they had cold symptoms and it turned out to be COVID. That did not happen during prior waves.
Yes I agree fewer were in the hospital and Delta had more severe outcomes (and less people vaxxed). But, the numbers were still inflated. I know it seems like forever ago, but there were plenty of people who had minor symptoms with Delta, and in turn I assume there were plenty of people in hospitals that were not there for Covid, but tested positive. I'm sure it wasn't a 100% inflation rate like currently, but I'd bet it was significant.

I understand that patients that test positive while at the hospital need completely different care, need to be in a different unit presumably, etc. I'm sure it's a pain in the a$$. But that doesn't change that the public should have been given accurate data all along so that they could make an appropriate risk assessment for themselves.
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Old 01-21-2022, 06:40 PM
 
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Yes I agree fewer were in the hospital and Delta had more severe outcomes (and less people vaxxed). But, the numbers were still inflated. I know it seems like forever ago, but there were plenty of people who had minor symptoms with Delta, and in turn I assume there were plenty of people in hospitals that were not there for Covid, but tested positive. I'm sure it wasn't a 100% inflation rate like currently, but I'd bet it was significant.

I understand that patients that test positive while at the hospital need completely different care, need to be in a different unit presumably, etc. I'm sure it's a pain in the a$$. But that doesn't change that the public should have been given accurate data all along so that they could make an appropriate risk assessment for themselves.
What knowledge are you basing your bet on? What healthcare facilities have you worked at?
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Old 01-21-2022, 06:44 PM
 
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What knowledge are you basing your bet on? What healthcare facilities have you worked at?
What knowledge are you basing your bet on?

I'm making the common sense assumption that hospitals didn't just go from over-reporting 0% to over-reporting 100%. I'm also making the common sense assumption that since many people were asymptomatic or had very mild symptoms with delta, many likely tested positive at the hospital when they were there for other reasons.

I think maybe you're not remembering correctly and making the assumption that EVERYONE had severe delta outcomes. That wasn't the case - far from it. It also wasn't the case prior to delta.

Regardless of all this, most states, including NC, are still reporting the inflated number today. It would be incredibly easy for this to change - MA explained exactly how they do it. But yet here we are....still.

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Old 01-21-2022, 08:02 PM
 
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My son called me today and told me he has Covid. So does his wife and his two small children None are vaccinated.

Just yesterday a lifelong friend of mine posted that one of her best friends died from Covid a few days ago.

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Old 01-21-2022, 08:16 PM
 
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Yes, but not as many. The rush at hospitals was with patients who were critically ill. This wave the symptoms are milder. Hospitals were out of beds due to COVID patients. Please don't try to say the old numbers were inflated. You do not work in healthcare. Housebuilder described it for you over and over. This wave there are countless stories of people saying they had cold symptoms and it turned out to be COVID. That did not happen during prior waves.
Mine was not this wave, but in the wave I caught it this was exactly the case, and I was consciously thinking "...don't panic, not every cold symptom is C19..." - I had what I thought was a mild cold, THEN tested positive when tested for a totally different reason, THEN the heavy symptoms kicked in.

And re NRaleigh Mom, a lifelong friend told me last week that her ~40yo daughter died from it 6 months ago.
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Old 01-21-2022, 10:48 PM
 
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My son called me today and told me he has Covid. So does his wife and his two small children None are vaccinated.

Just yesterday a lifelong friend of mine posted that one of her best friends died from Covid a few days ago.

Prayers for your son and his family.
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Old 01-22-2022, 06:17 AM
 
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My son called me today and told me he has Covid. So does his wife and his two small children None are vaccinated.

Just yesterday a lifelong friend of mine posted that one of her best friends died from Covid a few days ago.

Wishing them all a mild case!
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