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Old 02-25-2024, 08:35 PM
 
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SHENANDOAH, Iowa (WOWT/Gray News) - A dog suffered “serious wounds” after being shot by a real estate agent who was visiting the family and their home on Thursday, according to the family.


According to authorities in Shenandoah, Iowa, a real estate agent was invited by homeowners who were giving him a tour of their home. As a precaution, the family put their dog, an Australian shepherd-beagle mix, in the basement.
While touring the home, the real estate agent asked to see the basement, so the daughter took the dog outside.
The real estate agent was walking up the driveway to the backyard to access the basement from the outside when the dog started barking, got loose from its leash and ran towards to real estate agent, according to authorities.



Neighbors say the real estate agent kicked the dog, which kept coming at him, and then shot the dog.
Authorities say the real estate agent left the scene without further incident and immediately called authorities.
The real estate agent, who did have a conceal-carry permit, felt threatened and the county attorney deemed the matter as self-defense, according to authorities.
The family says the dog did nothing to provoke being shot and the mother is afraid of guns and would have never allowed the real estate agent into her home if she knew that he was armed.
The dog survived and was treated by a veterinarian






Have any of you had run ins with dogs while looking at homes?
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Old 02-25-2024, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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Well, I'm just guessing he's probably not going to get the listing!

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Have any of you had run ins with dogs while looking at homes?
No, particularly would not expect a run in with the owners *there*.

Bad scene, I'm glad everyone apparently will live through it, including the dog.
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Old 02-26-2024, 05:14 AM
 
Location: Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX
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The following article came from here,
https://www.kold.com/2024/02/25/dog-...t-family-says/





SHENANDOAH, Iowa (WOWT/Gray News) - A dog suffered “serious wounds” after being shot by a real estate agent who was visiting the family and their home on Thursday, according to the family.


According to authorities in Shenandoah, Iowa, a real estate agent was invited by homeowners who were giving him a tour of their home. As a precaution, the family put their dog, an Australian shepherd-beagle mix, in the basement.
While touring the home, the real estate agent asked to see the basement, so the daughter took the dog outside.
The real estate agent was walking up the driveway to the backyard to access the basement from the outside when the dog started barking, got loose from its leash and ran towards to real estate agent, according to authorities.



Neighbors say the real estate agent kicked the dog, which kept coming at him, and then shot the dog.
Authorities say the real estate agent left the scene without further incident and immediately called authorities.
The real estate agent, who did have a conceal-carry permit, felt threatened and the county attorney deemed the matter as self-defense, according to authorities.
The family says the dog did nothing to provoke being shot and the mother is afraid of guns and would have never allowed the real estate agent into her home if she knew that he was armed.
The dog survived and was treated by a veterinarian

Have any of you had run ins with dogs while looking at homes?

Never had an issue with any dog on a property and have been on many with breeds considered to be aggressive. All dogs should be approached with caution and any that are a possible issue will typically be barking and you will know they are there before you get near them.



There are unanswered questions with the most important being the following. I also expect the Real Estate Salesperson was aware a dog was on the property.

  • What was the Real Estate Salesperson doing walking around the property un-escorted to begin with? I would consider that inconsiderate and ignorant (stupid ? as there is a difference) as well.
  • Obviously there appeared to be a basement entry from inside the home otherwise I would have expected the owner to contain the dog in a room instead of the rear yard? If so why did the Salesperson not use the interior entry point?
  • If the Salesperson felt such a compelling need to be armed on someone else's private property why were they there in the first place? I do agree with the owner and suspect if the Salesperson asked permission to carry on their property then this might not have happened as the owner may have rejected their visit or the Salesperson left themselves not wanting to be disarmed.
The Salesperson was reported as having a carry license (Iowa is now a permitless State) so has attended requisite training for the license. Iowa is no different than any other State with typical training requirements including "responsibility" while carrying. In my opinion this Salesperson displayed irresponsible behavior for not at the least advising the homeowner they were carrying a firearm. There are still many people out there that are, as displayed by this homeowner, afraid of of firearms and/or just do not want firearms on their property. Just because the Salesperson had a license to carry does not give them the right to act irresponsibly.
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Old 02-26-2024, 06:14 AM
 
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Back in 2001 we were touring homes in CO with our agent. One rural property was on the list and as we drove up to the gate we were greeted by two huge pit bulls that were seriously interested in killing something. Our agent knew the owner and told us the dogs were supposed to be somewhere else. The owner wasn’t home and I’m just glad we didn’t enter the property before the dogs saw us approach.

That property dropped off the list.
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Old 02-26-2024, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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[*]If the Salesperson felt such a compelling need to be armed on someone else's private property why were they there in the first place? I do agree with the owner and suspect if the Salesperson asked permission to carry on their property then this might not have happened as the owner may have rejected their visit or the Salesperson left themselves not wanting to be disarmed.[/list]The Salesperson was reported as having a carry license (Iowa is now a permitless State) so has attended requisite training for the license. Iowa is no different than any other State with typical training requirements including "responsibility" while carrying. In my opinion this Salesperson displayed irresponsible behavior for not at the least advising the homeowner they were carrying a firearm. There are still many people out there that are, as displayed by this homeowner, afraid of of firearms and/or just do not want firearms on their property. Just because the Salesperson had a license to carry does not give them the right to act irresponsibly.
Without defending this particular shooting, any duty* to disclose or ask for permission to carry a concealed firearm for personal protection defeats the entire purpose of carrying a concealed firearm for personal protection.

*There is not any such duty I’m aware of.
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Old 02-26-2024, 08:21 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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This is one reason that we have not replaced our last dog when he passed a couple of years ago. We are planning to sell in a few months, and it's a hassle to deal with a dog when showing a house, in addition to the dog hair and smells turning off potential buyers.
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Old 02-26-2024, 08:33 AM
 
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If anyone harmed my dog I would have made it my life’s mission to make sure as many people as possible knew what he did and I wouldn’t let up. I would have also sued him in small claims court for the vet bills.
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Old 02-26-2024, 08:41 AM
 
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Without defending this particular shooting, any duty* to disclose or ask for permission to carry a concealed firearm for personal protection defeats the entire purpose of carrying a concealed firearm for personal protection.

*There is not any such duty I’m aware of.
with the changing of the laws here in nyc , the original recent law was unless a sign said firearms okay , it was assumed they were not allowed .

a supreme court reversed that recently and said it has to be the reverse with a sign that it is not okay.

they also said nypd could not ask for your social media passwords when you apply for a ccw
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Old 02-26-2024, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Rochester, WA
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with the changing of the laws here in nyc , the original recent law was unless a sign said firearms okay , it was assumed they were not allowed .

a supreme court reversed that recently and said it has to be the reverse with a sign that it is not okay.

they also said nypd could not ask for your social media passwords when you apply for a ccw
Wow, OK I know it’s off-topic but they wanted passwords? Really?
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Old 02-26-2024, 09:21 AM
 
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Wow, OK I know it’s off-topic but they wanted passwords? Really?
yep , as part of the new requirements for a ccw
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