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Old 11-08-2012, 10:10 AM
 
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Im not proposing rape or anything of that nature. We may not be in barbarian ages, but dont let it blow your mind when i tell you that what most women want sexualy is a man who can make her feel primal, in touch with her nature and free of multitude of inhibitions. Most love to be dominated in the bedroom, and rape fantasy is 3rd most popular fantasy women share. When a woman wants to have sex with me, I take control and do as i please. If she doesnt want to have sex with me (i know, crazy talk), i let it be.
Actually most women like a man that listens to what they want and considers their feelings. Sounds like something is amiss in the OP's relationship....talking about it would be much better than just ignoring it. A woman that is clearly telling him he doesn't want XYZ has a reason for saying it...and it isn't code for that she'd like to indulge in a rape fantasy.

I'm sure there must be some women out there that have a rape fantasy. I doubt it is number three on the list, but I'm sure there is some sort of PUA website out there that says otherwise. For the men out there with a bit of common sense, don't ever assume that your woman is one of them. You might be making a horrible horrible mistake, especially if the woman had been sexually assaulted in the past.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:11 AM
 
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That all sounds good and all, unless she is just not in the mood. Sometimes people just aren't in the mood. With work, kids, appointments, etc. Sometimes people are just not in the mood.
Agree.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:14 AM
 
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That all sounds good and all, unless she is just not in the mood. Sometimes people just aren't in the mood. With work, kids, appointments, etc. Sometimes people are just not in the mood. Didn't mean to imply you were "literally" talking about raping someone. I knew what you meant, but some other person might not have.
The scenario I had in mind, was when a couple decides to have sex, but then the woman starts listing dos and donts, as theyre about to get it on. Its a losing proposition fr a man, each and every time, because despite what they tell you, women dont want a guy who asks for permission before trying a new position or introduci g something new during sex. Most want a man, who will pick them up and put them in a position HE wants and get to work, not waste time and immersion by asking "honey, do you think we can try doggy today with the lights on? Would that be ok with you?"
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:17 AM
 
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The scenario I had in mind, was when a couple decides to have sex, but then the woman starts listing dos and donts, as theyre about to get it on. Its a losing proposition fr a man, each and every time, because despite what they tell you, women dont want a guy who asks for permission before trying a new position or introduci g something new during sex. Most want a man, who will pick them up and put them in a position HE wants and get to work, not waste time and immersion by asking "honey, do you think we can try doggy today with the lights on? Would that be ok with you?"
Are you a woman?
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:19 AM
 
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Actually most women like a man that listens to what they want and considers their feelings. Sounds like something is amiss in the OP's relationship....talking about it would be much better than just ignoring it. A woman that is clearly telling him he doesn't want XYZ has a reason for saying it...and it isn't code for that she'd like to indulge in a rape fantasy.

I'm sure there must be some women out there that have a rape fantasy. I doubt it is number three on the list, but I'm sure there is some sort of PUA website out there that says otherwise. For the men out there with a bit of common sense, don't ever assume that your woman is one of them. You might be making a horrible horrible mistake, especially if the woman had been sexually assaulted in the past.
Once again, I would never advocate rape in any manner, as my own sister was a victim of such crime. What im saying is that men need to take charge in the bedroom is all. I talk to women about what they like or what they want in bed as well, but simply NEVER during the act itself. Asking for permission during sex, subconsciusly tells a woman that she will not get what she craves, good sex. Trust me, i know what im talking about.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:23 AM
 
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Are you a woman?
No, but i know women. Ive been the type of guy in the bedroom that women THINK they want, and it bothered me immensly that my own actions killed immersion and diminished quality of sex. Today im the opposite and turn soccermoms into nymphos. None can get enough. My success came from realization, that as a man you are light years better off judging women by their actions rather than their words. Its like magic and pays dividents every day of my life.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:28 AM
 
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Once again, I would never advocate rape in any manner, as my own sister was a victim of such crime. What im saying is that men need to take charge in the bedroom is all. I talk to me women about what ghey like or what they want in bed as well, but simply NEVER during the act itself. Asking for permission during sex, subconsciusly tells a woman that she will not get what she craves, good sex. Trust me, i know what im talking about.
Eh, I think the spectrum of female sexuality is more nuanced and varied that what you write about. Some women don't like certain positions because they might cause physical discomfort, and some women like to be more aggressive in the bedroom.

That is fine of you don't talk about stuff during the act. Talking during the act has nothing to do with whether one gets good sex or not.

If I'm not in the mood for something, I'm not in the mood for it. In your scenario there is an assumption that you know better what the female does every time. I'm not saying a man has to talk about everything every time. If you are going to be super aggressive, and never talk, then you'll eventually get your self in an awkward scenario of a woman telling you to stop doing xyz, and having basically killed the mood.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:30 AM
 
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No, but i know women. Ive been the type of guy in the bedroom that women THINK they want, and it bothered me immensly that my own actions killed immersion and diminished quality of sex. Today im the opposite and turn soccermoms into nymphos. None can get enough. My success came from realization, that as a man you are light years better off judging women by their actions rather than their words. Its like magic and pays dividents every day of my life.
I think you seek out a subset of women that like that sort of stuff. Are you actually using your own words or the words of some sort of guru here?
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:41 AM
 
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Eh, I think the spectrum of female sexuality is more nuanced and varied that what you write about. Some women don't like certain positions because they might cause physical discomfort, and some women like to be more aggressive in the bedroom.

That is fine of you don't talk about stuff during the act. Talking during the act has nothing to do with whether one gets good sex or not.

If I'm not in the mood for something, I'm not in the mood for it. In your scenario there is an assumption that you know better what the female does every time. I'm not saying a man has to talk about everything every time. If you are going to be super aggressive, and never talk, then you'll eventually get your self in an awkward scenario of a woman telling you to stop doing xyz, and having basically killed the mood.
He's right. He's not saying a man should force them to do something against their will or ignore their pleas to stop. He's saying a man needs to take the initiative and control. If she really protests then back off and do something else. But you don't ask permission upfront.

There's nothing awkward about her telling you to stop something and it doesn't kill the mood, as long as the guy doesn't get all sensitive and apologetic over it. He just moves on to something else. And even if it was awkward on occasion, the rewards from all the times it works out well outweigh it. Nothing ventured nothing gained.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:46 AM
 
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I think you seek out a subset of women that like that sort of stuff. Are you actually using your own words or the words of some sort of guru here?
Yes, the subset of women consists of every woman I have ever met in my life. I always use my own words and dont follow any gurus or methods. There is no need to.
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