Realizing that my girlfriend can fight better than I can (man, single)
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Regarding her fights against men. Oftentimes if a man did fight a woman he wouldn't give it his all. So it doesn't necessarily mean she can kick their butts. But I don't doubt she could give many men a severe beating.
I don't even see why this should be a problem. Think of it this way, you're both better able to protect yourselves.
Bull. Even my DH who is sitting here who is para military and military, says there are lots of small fighters who could take a guy his size.
One of the best fighters I know is a guy who weighs about 130 lbs or so. It's all lean muscle. His fighting style is a mixture of kickboxing and Army combatives. I've seen him beat guys almost twice his size in bouts. He's in great aerobic shape and he has good technique.
It's easy to see the posters who have fight experience.
Size is a big factor (no pun intended), but there are a lot of ways to work around that.
I got lazy in my old age, I just carry pepper spray.
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I always assumed that my height and size would carry me through any situation. I never got in many fights because people just left me alone and I never went looking for trouble. Now I know differently.
Intimidating people enough that they won't even think of starting a fight with you is more than half the battle. Far better than looking like an easy target that actually DOES get targeted.
Of course a well trained women could potentially take a bigger guy who doesn't have the same training, but take a well trained women up against a big guy with the same training and she won't have much of a chance.
Again that is a bit of a generalisation.
I can see what you are TRYING To do and I agree. If you make _all other things equal_ and vary _one single variable_ in favor of one party - then you can expect that party to "win". Its a rhetorical tool only and while I agree with it the reality rarely matches that theory.
For example bigger parties - regardless of fitness - are easier to tire out than smaller faster parties. So your imagined "big guy" could easily be beaten by someone who can spar quickly for enough time to gain new advantages through fatigue and hence gain the upper hand. We see this in Boxing quite often where the bigger stronger opponent - with theoretically the same training - loses because eventually they slow down.
Further what the "training" is comes into play too as many fighting forms such as BJJ and Judo are designed to give advantages to the lighter smaller parties as many of the forms within that training are designed to use height and weight advantages in your opponent against them.
So as I say you are right - but only in the sense that you have to construct a hypothetical situation that rarely - if ever - occurs in reality. In reality however your statements are just naive generalisations that will rarely hold true at all.
This is ridiculous. All my time in college, and all the parties and bars and not ONE woman ever stood up to a man. I'm sorry, but a 5'4" woman 110 lbs is at an extreme disadvantage agaisnt any guy in college who is 200 lbs and 5'10" or taller. She would have to be WORLD CLASS.
And it has nothing to do with her being a woman.
Again it depends on training. Find yourself the guy you describe and take him to a BJJ school and ask him to spar with the most petite woman there. You will leave with a whole new outlook on the subject.
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Originally Posted by AverageGuy2006
I could put up a battle, but if we got off our feet, I was done for. And you try to convince me someone 110 lbs can fight 200 lbs?
That is the interesting thing about BJJ. Most of the forms already presume you are "off your feet" and those trained in BJJ have an advantage as soon as they are taken down to the mat. Had you been BJJ trained you would have looked forward to going off your feet where you would have felt even more at ease.
No place was this shown to be true better than in the Mixed Martial Arts championships. This happened in the Ultimate Fighting Championship in 1993. Here ANY style of fighting is allowed and are pitted against each other. Street boxing - meets wrestling - meets karate - meets judo - and so on. Anyone (pretty much) could fight.
In the first years of the UFC, there were no weight divisions, rounds, or time limits and very few rules. In fact, there were no judges, because every fight ended by knockout, submission, referee stoppage, or a fighter’s corner throwing in the towel.
And what did we learn from what was almost a science experiment in competeing fighting styles? We learned that whatever a man’s size, strength, skill, and training - it was a relatively diminutive BJJ fighter called Royce Gracie who could completely dominate them all. Once a fight "goes to ground" there are few - if any - substitutes for BJJ.
The effect is not so stark these days as any one entering these Mixed Martial Arts competitions is trained in their own style AND BJJ together. Mainly because they have all recognised that they have little hope of victory with their karate, boxing, Greco-Roman wrestling, muay Thai, kung fu, judo, tai kwon do, sambo, kickboxing, sumo or whatever if it was not also complemented by the art forms of BJJ.
So strong is this that people who learn BJJ exclusively are observed to "go to ground" almost as a principle.
So to repeat if you think you can put a large man with a small man or woman and expect to always call the result you are simply being naive and I repeat my recommendation that you take a large man - yourself or a friend - to a BJJ school and ask to have them spar with the smallest female there.
Not to humilate you or make you look silly either. The pleasure of the revalation you will receive is one you will return and thank me for.
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Originally Posted by AverageGuy2006
Again, I'm still stuck on; who and where the hell are the guys FIGHTING a woman? I don't think I've even heard of such a situation.
I practice and spar with both of my girlfriends all the time and victory is by no means assured for me any time. They beat me as often as I beat them and we keep each other pushed to our limits.
Realizing that my girlfriend can fight better than I can
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I have thought of buying a gun and learning how to use one. I think that would be fun too.
But you can't carry that around with you though...
That may be true where you live, but I carry a Kimber Ultra Carry with me every day. I have to leave it in my vehicle when I go into the Post Office. I don't give my business to anyone who has a sign posted on their front door "No Weapons Allowed", except my doctor, and he is a specialist, or I would go else where. In my opinion, no one has the right to take my freedoms away.
As far as the OP's thread, I think it is wonderful to have a woman around who can defend herself, and is interested in keeping fit. Don't ever think a small, trained woman can't kick the butt of a 6'4" guy. I've seen it happen, and he was as surprised as everyone else in the group. To be good at fighting, no matter who you are, you have to have a certain "state of mind" and be unwilling to back down.
Realizing that my girlfriend can fight better than I can
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Originally Posted by capitol
None of them are females. You can count on your hands the number of females who can take on a guy 1 foot taller and 110 lbs bigger who aren't slobs. There is a reason why boxing and mma have weight classes. 100 lbs is huge.
I think you would be surprised. There is a big difference in fighting and boxing. Weight might make a difference in boxing, but in fighting being small and trained translates to quick and flexible and a tall person doesn't have a chance and just can not move as quickly. In the past while working as a LEO for my state I witnessed many fights. I'm only 5'11" but I'd rather fight a guy 6'4" any day that a small guy who was 5'4" and has some training, because I know he will be a better fighter than a big guy.
I think you would be surprised. There is a big difference in fighting and boxing. Weight might make a difference in boxing, but in fighting being small and trained translates to quick and flexible and a tall person doesn't have a chance and just can not move as quickly. In the past while working as a LEO for my state I witnessed many fights. I'm only 5'11" but I'd rather fight a guy 6'4" any day that a small guy who was 5'4" and has some training, because I know he will be a better fighter than a big guy.
A 5' 4 guy has a chance, but 5' 4 female simply has no chance against a man 1 foot taller and 110 lbs bigger. Even if she takes him to the ground, she's not at an advantage. If he counters any of her moves on the ground, she is done for since he could easily apply his weight to her on the ground and she will have no chance at getting out of it.
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Realizing that my girlfriend can fight better than I can
