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I have known some really great gay men....who are quit humble and more mature then some men I've know, however, I have also known some really nerotic gay men who drive me nuts and are worse then some of the most irritating women...so, like everything else, there is good and bad and in-between in everything and everyone.
But some gay men, sometimes make the most loyal and incredible friends...others, are so self imposed, they cannot see past their own faces...
I admire your direct honesty.....I wish more people were upfront like that.
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Oh, I agree with you; however, the types you talk about nobody would notice, right... Or am I supposed to develop a closet gay radar?! Yeah, I knew a married one with 2 children who was in his 30s only 10 years ago (in the US) when he finally decided he was gay. One would think he could've figured it out before ruining 3 people's lives and he certainly wasn't living in the Dark Ages. As far as my benefit... hard to see any benefit or impact on me as far as any gays go... perhaps you can elaborate more on it.
I can relate. I've had gay men hit on me and sexually harass me too. It's weird.
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Originally Posted by edwardius
For straight males it is very rare to ever be on the receiving end of unwanted sexual attention. If a woman expresses interest in you, generally it means you have a good chance of getting laid or at least you hope you do. So you have no frame of reference or first hand experience in dealing with any type of unwanted sexual attention (sexual harrassment).
Most straight women have a life time of experience of getting some sexual attention from men they aren't interested in and that means they have more experience in both handling those situations and dealing with the feelings that it creates. They may be equally annoyed, but probably have enough experience with it where they are better at managing the situation and concealing their true feelings.
The only times, I have ever been on the receiving end of unwanted sexual attention (felt sexually harrassed) were from gay men. When it happens, it usually catches me off guard and I get really annoyed. To this day, I hate going shopping at the Banana Republic and prefer to avoid those situations where I think there will be a lot of gay men.
I am gay and I can actually relate with cpg. He isn't off base.
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I have to admit to you that I'm in a biz that's rife with gay guys. And I've yet to meet one who isn't all about himself. Yes, a blanket statement. No, I'm not a homophobe. But having worked and socialized with dozens and dozens over the years, I've reluctantly reached this conclusion.
Don't hate yourself man, I see it too, I see it too...<pats cpg on his furry little head>
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Nope. The South. I mean seriously. I just work and listen to the backbiting, the catty remarks, the willingness to throw anybody they can under the bus, the weird, spiteful politicking if something doesn't go their way at the office, and some really elastic ethics. I mean, I hate myself for even writing this. But it's just what I've observed over the years.
I find it really offensive that you say the "twinks" are laughed at by most masculine gays. It just sounded really flippant coming from you. I'm sorry but that seems to be a huge problem in the gay community. Masculine gays thinking they are superior to twinks when THEY BOTH have the social and relationship skills of rocks (from the ones I've met).
I see the way each person acts and dresses as an expression of his true self. If you don't have a true self and you are all about oppressing and bringing people that are "different" down, then I have no respect or admiration for you at all.
As for me I'm one of those high cultured, educated, live and let live type of persons. I don't know what area that falls under.
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I agree. I would say about 80% of the gay men I have interacted with are closeted and married or divorced. None are effeminate, none are flamboyant, etc. The "twinks" as they are known are laughed at by most masculine gays. Still the twinks are necessary and activists like ACT UP paved the way for our gay pride movement.
There is a great misunderstanding of the str8 world, that is, they forget that most gays who were born in the 1920's to 1950's were under great pressure to lead straight lives. Consequently, most gay men over 65 are closeted and masculine.
I feel sorry for people like Sierra who have such a negative view of gay men, when in fact, she has been meeting gay men all her life, except they were married to women, church going, teachers, etc. They just didn't prance around for her benefit.
it was cute......halloween there was this guy (maybe 18 or so) dressed up as a fairy....my 6 year old was handing out candy and she goes "huhh....that's strange. A boy dressed up like a fairy"? she said it like right to the guy and he picked her up and hugged her then told her to be good......it was the cutest thing ever.....I think she still might be a bit confused though.
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he was gay. One would think he could've figured it out before ruining 3 people's lives and he certainly wasn't living in the Dark Ages. As far as my benefit... hard to see any benefit or impact on me as far as any gays go... perhaps you can elaborate more on it.
