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Old 11-23-2008, 08:17 PM
 
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I absolutely appreciate chivalry. My husband does all of those things and I never fail to notice it. I find it odd when men will apologize for swearing in front of me, but I do still appreciate their sensitivity to me being there. I agree with other posters in that holding the door open is just something you do for other people, not just a woman.

I have a cute story to share about chivalry. I was working at a high school back east as an athletic trainer (sports medicine), when one of the kids tore his ACL, meniscus and MCL at a football game. Now, I never allow kids to swear in my office or in my presence at the school, but obviously I make exceptions! This kid told me a couple of days later that he wouldn't swear because he knew I didn't like it! Here is this kid in excruciating pain and he was actually concerned about swearing in my presence. This was many years ago now and I still think about it.
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Old 11-23-2008, 08:22 PM
 
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I have posted a couple of times about getting slapped for opening a door for a woman when I was entering an office building. She called me a chauvinist pig and smacked me hard. That was really shocking to me. I have always believed that a gentleman should be a gentleman and have instilled that belief in my sons as best I can.

To me a man should always:

Open doors
Hold elevators
Open car doors
Warm up the car
Pick up women at the entrance of a building
Pay the bill
control his language.
Never ogle other women
offer his arm.
Hold the umbrella (or his jacket/coat if there is no umbrella)
Walk beside and never in front.
Offer his coat or gloves if it is cold and she is underdressed.
Sit with his back to the window (give her the view).


There are probably a few hundred other things I am missing.

This applies whether the woman your are with is a girlfriend, wife, daughter, friend, or a complete stranger.

Do many women actually find such behavious offensive? To me a man who acts otherwise is not a man at all. certainly not a gentleman, but it seems that I may be in the mminority.
I love and appreciate all of these nice gestures but unfortunately there are VERY few guys in today's world that actually do this They certainly dont live in Arizona- thats for sure.
Alot of guys are real Jerks and dont do any of those things that you mentioned. How old are your sons?
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Old 11-23-2008, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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I love and appreciate all of these nice gestures but unfortunately there are VERY few guys in today's world that actually do this They certainly dont live in Arizona- thats for sure.
Alot of guys are real Jerks and dont do any of those things that you mentioned. How old are your sons?

12 and 8. Too young for you sorry. Maybe in a few years.
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Old 11-23-2008, 08:45 PM
 
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12 and 8. Too young for you sorry. Maybe in a few years.
Darn yes, to young for me- I'm 29.
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Old 11-23-2008, 08:51 PM
 
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I cannot imagine anyone confusing good manners for being offensive...
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Old 11-23-2008, 09:00 PM
 
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I cannot imagine anyone confusing good manners for being offensive...
it's amazing that there are so many negative people in the world though
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Old 11-23-2008, 09:04 PM
 
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it's amazing that there are so many negative people in the world though
So do you think the issue is actually a distrust of intentions rather than finding something offensive?
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Old 11-23-2008, 09:06 PM
 
Location: mass
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I have posted a couple of times about getting slapped for opening a door for a woman when I was entering an office building. She called me a chauvinist pig and smacked me hard. That was really shocking to me. I have always believed that a gentleman should be a gentleman and have instilled that belief in my sons as best I can.

To me a man should always:

Open doors
Hold elevators
Open car doors
Warm up the car
Pick up women at the entrance of a building
Pay the bill
control his language.
Never ogle other women
offer his arm.
Hold the umbrella (or his jacket/coat if there is no umbrella)
Walk beside and never in front.
Offer his coat or gloves if it is cold and she is underdressed.
Sit with his back to the window (give her the view).


There are probably a few hundred other things I am missing.

This applies whether the woman your are with is a girlfriend, wife, daughter, friend, or a complete stranger.

Do many women actually find such behavious offensive? To me a man who acts otherwise is not a man at all. certainly not a gentleman, but it seems that I may be in the mminority.
All are wonderful, unless you are in a real hurry let her open her own car door.

Next time you get slapped for any of this, tackle the woman and tell her you will have to detain her until the police arrive as she has just assaulted you and you, not wanting to be a chauvinist, will have to either kick her ass or wait for the police to arrive so you can press charges.

Keep up the good manners they are appreciated by most.
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Old 11-23-2008, 09:07 PM
 
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So do you think the issue is actually a distrust of intentions rather than finding something offensive?
Yes. Especially with lots of people thinking that others have a hidden agenda by being nice.
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Old 11-23-2008, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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All are wonderful, unless you are in a real hurry let her open her own car door.

Next time you get slapped for any of this, tackle the woman and tell her you will have to detain her until the police arrive as she has just assaulted you and you, not wanting to be a chauvinist, will have to either kick her ass or wait for the police to arrive so you can press charges.

Keep up the good manners they are appreciated by most.
Sorry. I do not think that I would physically strike a woman, except maybe in a life or death situation. I got her back by running ahead and holding the elevator for her. She glared but said nothing.

I am glad to see that it is not generally considered a chuvanistic thing to do. At least not if the people who post here are any representation of the public at large. I thought maybe I had become out of date. I will not change, but I do not want to set my sons up to be disliked.
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