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Old 07-21-2010, 10:43 AM
 
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God did not want Adam and Eat from one specific tree taht he commanded them not too. He wanted them to live righteously and to live righteously you have to have laws and choose to obey them.

Unfortunately A % E chose to disobey that one law and sin against God.

Punishment came by the sin that A % E committed.

The tree had no magical powers it is just a tree. It was the act of disobedience that was the sin.
If that's what he wanted, then why did he not alter heredity and environment to where they would be people with the virtue of willpower? He did create their heredity and environment in the first place, according to genesis...
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Old 07-21-2010, 10:47 AM
 
Location: PA
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God being Omnipotent is impossible.

Main Entry: 1om·nip·o·tent
Pronunciation: \-tənt\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin omnipotent-, omnipotens, from omni- + potent-, potens potent
Date: 14th century
1 often capitalized : almighty 1
2 : having virtually unlimited authority or influence <an omnipotent ruler>

Think about the unlimited influence that God is said to have.
I submit that it is limited.

He could not influence Satan to not turn evil.
He could not influence the third of angels that followed Satan to remain faithful to Him.
He could not influence Adam and Eve away from eating of the tree of knowledge.
He could not influence those in the days of Sodom to reject their ways.
He could not influenced those of Noah’s day to believe in Him.
He has not influenced all or even half of mankind to believe that He is God.
He could not influence so many so often that to say that He is omnipotent becomes an attribute that God does not have and has never manifested.

Revelation 19:6
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.


Is it possible that God will only be omnipotent after His return?

Is it correct then to say that God has shown that He is NOT omnipotent from the very beginning of His interaction with sentient creatures?

If Not omnipotent then does that mean that God cannot do miracles, because, if He could, it would be a simple miracle indeed to change the attitude of those above who have been immune to His influence?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox

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DL
God IS omnipotent. He did not want to influence these people and events that you think he should have. God is also all knowing and he knows when to intervene.

You DL are not God and God is in no way less Omnipotent because he did not do what you think he should have done.
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Old 07-21-2010, 11:01 AM
 
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God being Omnipotent is impossible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence_paradox

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DL
The omnipotence paradox is only a paradox to those who cannot reason.

1. Can God create a rock so big that he cannot lift it? This is not a true question as seen below.

2. Can God create large rocks? Yes. He created planets which are very large rocks. Infact he created the universe itself.

3. Can God lift very heavy objects? Well God can cause anything to happen, but lifting requires a physical entity to push between two matterial objects which are attracted together. Yet God can cause things to move in our physical universe.

So question 1. is in error because God is spirit and is not bound by the limitations of the physical universe. The answer is that God can create things that are very big or even infinitly big and yet still be able to move them. He will always be able to create something that is infinately big and yet always be able to move that thing.

So, question 1. is in error, because it is foolishly asking in error based on lack of reasoning.
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Old 07-21-2010, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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God IS omnipotent. He did not want to influence these people and events that you think he should have. God is also all knowing and he knows when to intervene.

You DL are not God and God is in no way less Omnipotent because he did not do what you think he should have done.
I don't have the heart to watch the hungry birds and squirrels in by backyard, during a hard winter, without feeding them. How can an omnipotent, all loving God allow children to starve to death?

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Old 07-21-2010, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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God IS omnipotent.
Then let's see if you'll answer the question that your fellow Christians won't.

Assuming that you are including omniscience under "omnipotent", your god would have known that A+E would disobey, so please tell us why your god would create A+E when he knew all along what the result would be?
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Old 07-21-2010, 11:08 AM
 
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The omnipotence paradox is only a paradox to those who cannot reason.

1. Can God create a rock so big that he cannot lift it? This is not a true question as seen below.

2. Can God create large rocks? Yes. He created planets which are very large rocks. Infact he created the universe itself.

3. Can God lift very heavy objects? Well God can cause anything to happen, but lifting requires a physical entity to push between two matterial objects which are attracted together. Yet God can cause things to move in our physical universe.

So question 1. is in error because God is spirit and is not bound by the limitations of the physical universe. The answer is that God can create things that are very big or even infinitly big and yet still be able to move them. He will always be able to create something that is infinately big and yet always be able to move that thing.

So, question 1. is in error, because it is foolishly asking in error based on lack of reasoning.
So the answer to the question is "No, God cannot do that."

Personally, I would rather believe in a non-omnipotent god. Because at least that gives the possibility of a god who didn't want to cause horrific natural disasters like the earthquake in Haiti, and isn't responsible for the heredity and environment that creates pedophiles, rapists, torturers, etc. An omnipotent creator of the universe by definition takes credit for everything.
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Old 07-21-2010, 11:30 AM
 
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God did not want Adam and Eat from one specific tree taht he commanded them not too. He wanted them to live righteously and to live righteously .
Can you live like that without morals or a moral sense of right and wrong?

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DL
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Old 07-21-2010, 11:33 AM
 
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Jesus is God!
Then God can die?

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DL
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Old 07-21-2010, 11:41 AM
 
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God IS omnipotent. He did not want to influence these people and events that you think he should have. God is also all knowing and he knows when to intervene.

You DL are not God and God is in no way less Omnipotent because he did not do what you think he should have done.
I have shown much where God did not use omnipotece.

Show one example of where he did or your bogus statement is just B S.

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DL
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:31 PM
 
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If your God were omnipotent he could get rid of Satan, after all according to the myth God created Satan along with everything else. Therefore I conclude that Satan is the boss, not God. The entire thing is just too silly to be true.
He didn't create Satan. He created angels and some of them chose to disobey God, Satan being the first. When he disobeyed God, that's when he became Satan. It's all in the Bible for all to read.

God is going to get rid of Satan. That's also in the Bible.
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