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That was one of my thoughts as well! I tried to rep ya, but you know the drill .
It is much easier to converse, discuss, and debate with someone that KNOWS which side of the fence their on, than it is to communicate with someone that has abstract/flaky views or doesn't really know WHICH side of the fence they should be on.
I know what you mean. I was just thinking though, because of interacting on another thread, of how "flaky" my own beliefs were when I was young (and I was born again at the time!)
I have to disagree with you Kaykay and the others who consider people without a set, given, sometimes even (brainwashed), version of the truth to be "flakey".
It's easy to do what you are told and not question anything. But is it seeking the "truth"?
To me joining established belief systems, whether they are religious or otherwise, then blindly following them, is what causes disunity between people and cultures.
I have to disagree with you Kaykay and the others who consider people without a set, given, sometimes even (brainwashed), version of the truth to be "flakey".
It's easy to do what you are told and not question anything. But is it seeking the "truth"?
To me joining established belief systems, whether they are religious or otherwise, then blindly following them, is what causes disunity between people and cultures.
Many wars are fought because of this.
We only mean it to be "flakey, " Trebek. when one also claims to be a Christian. People can believe whatever they want and not be considered "flakey." But if they claim to be a believer of Christ and then say but I don't believe everything He said then, Houston, I think we have a problem. That was me back in college. I was a born again Christian and would have told you I was. But my lifestyle was anything but and it was borne out of my faulty belief system. In short, I was "flakey" because my beliefs, actions were not consistent with the belief system I professed to follow.
We only mean it to be "flakey, " Trebek. when one also claims to be a Christian. People can believe whatever they want and not be considered "flakey." But if they claim to be a believer of Christ and then say but I don't believe everything He said then, Houston, I think we have a problem. That was me back in college. I was a born again Christian and would have told you I was. But my lifestyle was anything but and it was borne out of my faulty belief system. In short, I was "flakey" because my beliefs, actions were not consistent with the belief system I professed to follow.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Trebek again. I especially agree that it's easy to do what you are told and not question anything. But is it seeking the "truth"? No, IMO, it is not.
I think (but don't know) maybe Trebek is not questioning what Christ said, but what he believes to be faulty interpretations of what He said?
I have to disagree with you Kaykay and the others who consider people without a set, given, sometimes even (brainwashed), version of the truth to be "flakey".
It's easy to do what you are told and not question anything. But is it seeking the "truth"?
To me joining established belief systems, whether they are religious or otherwise, then blindly following them, is what causes disunity between people and cultures.
Many wars are fought because of this.
I wasn't saying that anyone from a particular religion or denomination were flaky. I was saying there are a couple of people I have seen kind of "riding the fence" OR manage to twist things in a certain way to make a certain aspect conform to them. There are only a couple of people that I can think of, and I don't think either of them have been on here in quite a while.
Geesh, I KNOW I was flaky before I became a Christian . I knew everything about Jesus, but didn't KNOW HIM!
What I am talking about is the people that tend to be out for popularity contests and/or browney buttons (I'm not talking rep points here). There are just some people that will say whatever they think someone else WANTS to hear in order to win their favor . That IRRITATES ME! Believe what you believe and STICK TO IT! Don't get all wishy washy because you don't think someone will agree. It is IMPOSSIBLE to be popular or favored by EVERYONE on both sides! It's just not going to happen. But you still have to stick to what you believe, otherwise you're selling yourself out!
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Nope. People are pretty much what I expected.
I knew there was a wide spectrum of beliefs, opinions, attitudes, misconceptions, open/closed mindedness, etc. For those without a wide breadth of experiences behind them, this is a great place to learn about others. There are some really great people on both sides of the fence, and I'm having fun getting to know some of you!
I wasn't saying that anyone from a particular religion or denomination were flaky. I was saying there are a couple of people I have seen kind of "riding the fence" OR manage to twist things in a certain way to make a certain aspect conform to them. There are only a couple of people that I can think of, and I don't think either of them have been on here in quite a while.
Geesh, I KNOW I was flaky before I became a Christian . I knew everything about Jesus, but didn't KNOW HIM!
What I am talking about is the people that tend to be out for popularity contests and/or browney buttons (I'm not talking rep points here). There are just some people that will say whatever they think someone else WANTS to hear in order to win their favor . That IRRITATES ME! Believe what you believe and STICK TO IT! Don't get all wishy washy because you don't think someone will agree. It is IMPOSSIBLE to be popular or favored by EVERYONE on both sides! It's just not going to happen. But you still have to stick to what you believe, otherwise you're selling yourself out!
Sometimes one has to change ones opinion, when seeking the truth, especially when young.
I've been pretty set in my ways for the past 15 years once I established what I (not others) believed. My beliefs are strong and will not change regardless of what others think.
I knew there was a wide spectrum of beliefs, opinions, attitudes, misconceptions, open/closed mindedness, etc. For those without a wide breadth of experiences behind them, this is a great place to learn about others. There are some really great people on both sides of the fence, and I'm having fun getting to know some of you!
I agree with this response to the OP. I don't post here much, but when I do I either get no response or get picked apart by a poster saying that I'm off topic. Then recently, I've learned to go to "My Settings" and see the positive reps for things I've said previously! What ever my views are, they seem to be in the minority. When I post at all in this forum, I'm usually pretty passionate as are others.
The only thing that actually changes my perspective is my personal experiences or seeing others go through situations in life. It is my experience that things of a spiritual nature are not a theory, they have to be lived. In reading these threads, it's hard to differentiate between actual experience and theory.
Oh absolutely it has. I can't remember a time where I have ever been able to actually sit down and have a civil conversation with a Christian on the kind of things we talk about here. I think maybe it was the way my approach was to them and possibly the way theirs was to mine that never seemed to make it work. If anybody remembers when I first came on the board I was pretty much on the offense and I think that has changed. I have really enjoyed some of the conversations I have had with Alpha, Blueberry, and many others. I also have had some excellent conversations with other atheists, and it also opened my eyes to how many other atheists there are. Maybe it's an easier thing for people to admit on the internet than face to face but that's why I keep coming back here.
Sometimes one has to change ones opinion, when seeking the truth, especially when young.
I've been pretty set in my ways for the past 15 years once I established what I (not others) believed. My beliefs are strong and will not change regardless of what others think.
Peer pressure is your deal...not mine!
Ok, I think you're still missing the point. That's ok! We'll call it good and move on
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then, Houston, I think we have a problem. That was me back in college. I was a born again Christian and would have told you I was. But my lifestyle was anything but and it was borne out of my faulty belief system. In short, I was "flakey" because my beliefs, actions were not consistent with the belief system I professed to follow.
