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Before anything else we have to start with the question:
Do I exist?
Of course we have to assume and presume I and each reader of this post do exist, otherwise I would not be writing this post and you would not be reading this post.
However going further we could ask ourselves the question whether we are really existing in the objective world, and not just in our dreams or in some other entity's dreams?
For my own part during a dream in my own dream world sooner or later I would come to the consciousness that I am dreaming, and if I don't like the dream I would decide and successfully all the time to date, end the dream.
For example it is now as I write this post 6 a.m. local time, eight hours in advance of Greenwich, but earlier when i was still asleep I dreamed that an unpleasant teacher during my childhood was giving me a bad time as I was trying to explain to her some behavior from myself that she was taking me to task for, then I realized that I was dreaming, so I decided that I did not have to bear with this teacher, by terminating her existence with willing to end the dream, and succeeding, literally by an act of my will power.
So, we know when we are dreaming and when we are normally in genuine existence in objective reality.
What about being sure that we are not in an illusion by which we are deluding ourselves that we are existing?
Simple: pinch very hard our nose, or ask someone to do it for us.
That should ascertain to us that we do exist and are not in some illusion by which we are deluding ourselves.
So, we can be sure of our objective existence by being conscious and being capable of testing our consciousness by for example pinching very hard our nose, and also by exercising conscious control of ourselves, our actions, our behavior.
What about proving that something outside ourselves exist?
To prove that something exists outside ourselves in objective reality is to bring our consciousness into direct or indirect contact with that something.
And how do we bring our consciousness to be in contact with the something that we want to prove exist?
By applying one or more of our five external senses: sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch, to come to contact with that something.
And also if possible our internal sense by which we can know we have for example a stomachache.
Then very important, our big sense of intelligent thinking.
So we can ascertain ourselves of the existence of something outside ourselves by getting in contact with it in our consciousness: by reaching it with our extenal senses or our internal sense or our big sense of intelligent thinking.
For example we know that there is heat in a table plate by touching it, that goes for using the external sense of touch to ascertain the existence of heat in a table plate.
We know we have air in our stomach by the sensation of fullness in our abdomen, and then we pass the air out by way of the intestinal tract ending in its posterior opening.
Before anything else we have to start with the question:
Do I exist?
Of course we have to assume and presume I and each reader of this post do exist, otherwise I would not be writing this post and you would not be reading this post.
However going further we could ask ourselves the question whether we are really existing in the objective world, and not just in our dreams or in some other entity's dreams?
For my own part during a dream in my own dream world sooner or later I would come to the consciousness that I am dreaming, and if I don't like the dream I would decide and successfully all the time to date, end the dream.
For example it is now as I write this post 6 a.m. local time, eight hours in advance of Greenwich, but earlier when i was still asleep I dreamed that an unpleasant teacher during my childhood was giving me a bad time as I was trying to explain to her some behavior from myself that she was taking me to task for, then I realized that I was dreaming, so I decided that I did not have to bear with this teacher, by terminating her existence with willing to end the dream, and succeeding, literally by an act of my will power.
So, we know when we are dreaming and when we are normally in genuine existence in objective reality.
What about being sure that we are not in an illusion by which we are deluding ourselves that we are existing?
Simple: pinch very hard our nose, or ask someone to do it for us.
That should ascertain to us that we do exist and are not in some illusion by which we are deluding ourselves.
So, we can be sure of our objective existence by being conscious and being capable of testing our consciousness by for example pinching very hard our nose, and also by exercising conscious control of ourselves, our actions, our behavior.
What about proving that something outside ourselves exist?
To prove that something exists outside ourselves in objective reality is to bring our consciousness into direct or indirect contact with that something.
And how do we bring our consciousness to be in contact with the something that we want to prove exist?
By applying one or more of our five external senses: sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch, to come to contact with that something.
And also if possible our internal sense by which we can know we have for example a stomachache.
Then very important, our big sense of intelligent thinking.
So we can ascertain ourselves of the existence of something outside ourselves by getting in contact with it in our consciousness: by reaching it with our extenal senses or our internal sense or our big sense of intelligent thinking.
For example we know that there is heat in a table plate by touching it, that goes for using the external sense of touch to ascertain the existence of heat in a table plate.
We know we have air in our stomach by the sensation of fullness in our abdomen, and then we pass the air out by way of the intestinal tract ending in its posterior opening.
And how do we know that God exists?
By the big mental sense of intelligent thinking.
Ryrge
Now all you have to do is prove that God gave you this intelligent thinking. The truth is, no one can prove that God exists or doesn't exist. It's impossible because he's only thoughts. Thoughts have no mass, time or energy and that's why scientists can't prove who God is.
On the other hand, there are a few of us who received his knowledge, which is all his thoughts that ever existed at our disposal. We have proof to ourselves that God exists but we can't prove to anyone else that our thoughts are his.
I find it most probable that nothing exists, not even you or I.
Before the atoms were formed by God's light energy, only thoughts existed. Once he made this light energy, then he started to create everything with his light and what you see is because of the light and his plans within his thoughts.
Not to brag (well, maybe just a little), but I have a PhD in math, so I have a lot of experience developing proofs of theorems.
Our proofs always took this form: If we assume propositions A and B are true, then we can prove proposition C is true.
We never proved that proposition C is true by itself. We only proved that the assumed truth of A and B would imply C.
If proposition C is something like "God exists", you will probably never be able to prove it conclusively because other people would argue that your assumptions A and B are not true.
Someone, the sinner exists. I am responsible for it the sinning sometimes. Sometimes I am not. This proves the existence of the other prior to the master/slave contracted relationship. God still needs to be sought without the blemish of Sin.
You are contradicting yourself, either that or you are attempting to use bafflegab...If nothing exists, then everything must exist.
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