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fractured_kidult. I have no idea what your are talking about. Could you give us a little more detail here?
Okay, first when was the bible written? Before or after the events that where predicted happened. If any of the events happened before it was printed then they are in there because of something that actually happened. Not prediction.
If a prediction in the bible is happening now, then the chances of someone influencing it to happen is quite logical.
Logical reasoning. Back then it was good to know your enemies tactics, just as football coaches study the opposing team before the game. The military of the time would have known this as well. Back then, military and politics went hand in hand, as it does today. Military leaders would have shared their info with political leaders.
If I took over a city, the first thing I would do is protect it. Back then, they build walls, and they built them well. Very common thing to happen.
Okay, first when was the bible written? Before or after the events that where predicted happened. If any of the events happened before it was printed then they are in there because of something that actually happened. Not prediction.
If a prediction in the bible is happening now, then the chances of someone influencing it to happen is quite logical.
Logical reasoning. Back then it was good to know your enemies tactics, just as football coaches study the opposing team before the game. The military of the time would have known this as well. Back then, military and politics went hand in hand, as it does today. Military leaders would have shared their info with political leaders.
If I took over a city, the first thing I would do is protect it. Back then, they build walls, and they built them well. Very common thing to happen.
Predictions are vague, and for a reason.
Goodnight for now.
Well the fact that it is a prophecy means the events occured after they were written. And these events occured thousands of years after the prophecy was made. So we are not talking about back then. Many of the prophecies found in the Bible are very detailed and are not vague at all. Case in point. In the Book of Ezekiel it states that in the latter days, and shortly before the God of all creation returns to this world. The Jewish people would first return from a worldwide exile. They would retake south Israel first, which they did in (1948). And second they would retake Jerusalem which they did in (1967). Now this prophecy occured and perhaps with a little more speed when Jews were trying to escape Hitlers Europe. The free nations did not allow the vast majority of Jews to escape to their countries. So a number of Jews returned to Israel. And this trend continued till this very day. In 1967 the Arab nations attacked Israel, yet Israel turn the tide of battle and marched into Jerusalem. Neither Hitler, or the Arab nations wanted to see Bible prophecy fulfilled. However, world events forced these prophecies to be fulfilled. And this had nothing to do with the desire of Israels enemies. The prophecy tells us that in the latter days this return of the Jews to Israel would anger many nations around the world. And this anger will lead to one of the last great wars on earth. And the focus of world attention will be on the Middle East. The fact is the Bible is filled with such detailed prophecies. And to try and dismiss them as to nothing more than a logical occurrence. Would be pretty illogical.
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Who is us?
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Oh very well. I'll explain the four possible answers one more time for both you and Campbell. Or more specifically, I summarize the answer and if you are really interested you can read the rather interesting article on the web.
Servetus the Evangelical outlines the various ways “we” and “us” in Genesis may be interpreted
(1) For Jews, they refer to the special group of angels which surround God’s heavenly throne and constitute his court
(2) For Christians (at least since the fourth century) they refer to the two other members of the Trinity
(3) These words may refer to a plurality of majesty
(4) Or that’s how God addresses himself
Servetus also points out an interesting problem with the Trinity theory. If, as claimed in scripture, God is a trinity and created man in his image, then man would have three persons too.
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I don't consider myself atheist, theist, agnostic, whatever.
But I have an opinion... how could there be a God? Every day, and I mean every damn day, bad things are on the news. Sometimes, it's very bad, like a murder or two. Or people getting their heads cut off in Iraq.
Every day, people (myself included) get up and go to work, we come back with these tiny paychecks, that are barely worth paying the bills.
Some people are stuck in an apartment, they get paid barely jack, they can't get laid or a house or a car. Where's God in that situation? Where's God's help?
I'm really curious. I don't consider myself atheist... but how could there be a God? Or is there a God... but he doesn't care about us?
Yes there is G-d....
He doesn't cause the bad stuff and he lets us live with the consequences...
But sometimes I am very angry at G-d....
But the reality is we can blame G-d for the bad or we can get off out azzzes and make things better....
>>And in the year 2007 it was said that 41% of the worlds Jews were living in Israel. And projections show us, that somewhere between the years 2030 and 2040 most Jews will be found living in Israel. Which is close to the Biblical timeline for the end time fulfillment.<<
The worldwide Jewish population is 13.3 million Jews. Jewish population growth worldwide is close to zero percent. From 2000 to 2001 it rose 0.3%, compared to worldwide population growth of 1.4%.
In 2001, 8.3 million Jews lived in the Diaspora and 4.9 million lived in Israel. Just about half of the world’s Jews reside in the Americas, with about 46 percent in North America.
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The triune God concept was not a product of the third or fourth century. And that is because it is clearly stated in First John chapter 2 verse 7.
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: AND THESE THREE ARE ONE." And this writing agrees with Genesis 1:26. And both writings predate the third and fourth century.
Hi Campbell34, Just a point it is 1st John 5:7 and the words the Father, the word and the Holy Ghost were not in the original text but was added much later. It is easy to check out and even those who support the trinity consept will admit that it is not original but was added because it supports the trinity.
And my next question would be. Do you even believe the Bible? Or do you believe it is just a Book of fiction inspired not by God but man alone?
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I believe that the Old Testament contains some historical material but is largely folklore. The New Testament accounts were written long after the events they describe using popular legends that had grown about Jesus.
The non-divine nature of these writings is proven by the fact that they contain numerous errors and contradictions. I’ve already devoted a thread to this.
"For all the books which the Church receives as sacred and canonical, are written wholly and entirely, with all their parts, at the dictation of the Holy Ghost; and so far is it from being possible that any error can co-exist with inspiration, that inspiration not only is essentially incompatible with error, but excludes and rejects it as absolutely and necessarily as it is impossible that God Himself, the supreme Truth, can utter that which is not true.” [Providentissimus deus, 20]
The bible contains errors and contradictions; therefore, it cannot have divine authorship.
[Please limit your posts to one question if you expect a response].
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>>And in the year 2007 it was said that 41% of the worlds Jews were living in Israel. And projections show us, that somewhere between the years 2030 and 2040 most Jews will be found living in Israel. Which is close to the Biblical timeline for the end time fulfillment.<<
The worldwide Jewish population is 13.3 million Jews. Jewish population growth worldwide is close to zero percent. From 2000 to 2001 it rose 0.3%, compared to worldwide population growth of 1.4%.
In 2001, 8.3 million Jews lived in the Diaspora and 4.9 million lived in Israel. Just about half of the world’s Jews reside in the Americas, with about 46 percent in North America.
Actually the percentage of Jews living in Israel today was not a projection of mine. That percentage came from the Annual Report of the Jewish People Policy Planning Institute (JPPPI), a project of the Jewish Agency. And according to them 41% of all Jews now live in Israel. The report also states that unlike their Diaspora brethren, Jews in Israel "have relatively high and steady birth rates. And the Jewish population block in North America, with 5.7 million people, according to JPPPI, is decreasing rapidly. And for a number of reasons. And these results came from the 2007 report. Your 2001 report is a little old.
Hi Campbell34, Just a point it is 1st John 5:7 and the words the Father, the word and the Holy Ghost were not in the original text but was added much later. It is easy to check out and even those who support the trinity consept will admit that it is not original but was added because it supports the trinity.
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Yes. Interpolation (addition) seems to have occurred in the last chapter of Matthew too, ie. baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
While we don't have copies of the original Matthew before 325 AD, Eusebius, a 4th century church historian, quotes the ending of Matthew a number of times based on the early copies he possessed. There is no mention of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Also, there are four accounts of baptism in Acts of the Apostles and one in a Pauline epistle. They are all in the name of Jesus alone, never a Trinity.
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