Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 04-21-2011, 06:34 AM
 
17,842 posts, read 14,425,018 times
Reputation: 4114

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by LondonUSA View Post
It seems that as society is trying to develop, religion is holding it back.

Whatever was written in a book all these years ago is not completely relevant to society today.
Verses condemning temple prostitutes (qadesh), using ritual sex practices to worship pagan fertility gods 2000 years ago, have nothing to do with gays and lesbians.

If people opened their minds and studied history, as well as the Bible in it's original languages and settings, they would realise the writers of the biblical texts were not referring to homosexuals (or gays and lesbians) at all.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-21-2011, 06:44 AM
 
Location: London, England
643 posts, read 1,125,283 times
Reputation: 163
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymax View Post
Verses condemning temple prostitutes (qadesh), using ritual sex practices to worship pagan fertility gods 2000 years ago, have nothing to do with gays and lesbians.

If people opened their minds and studied history, as well as the Bible in it's original languages and settings, they would realise the writers of the biblical texts were not referring to homosexuals (or gays and lesbians) at all.
What were they referring to?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-21-2011, 07:05 AM
 
17,842 posts, read 14,425,018 times
Reputation: 4114
Quote:
Originally Posted by LondonUSA View Post
What were they referring to?
Read my first sentence. Or read Rafius's link
Introduction to homosexuality in Romans 1:26-27
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-21-2011, 07:07 AM
 
7,628 posts, read 10,992,210 times
Reputation: 498
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafius View Post
Only too happy to old boy.
Introduction to homosexuality in Romans 1:26-27

Like a fart in a space suit I imagine.
Rafius, your link tells us that Anti-gay "clobber" passages in the Bible.

I would go a step more and say they clobbered the Bible itself. And that is because they don't believe the Bible. It's not that they wormed their way out of the truth. They just refuse to believe it. Then they go on to tell us that because Paul lived in a pre-scientific era. He did not have access to the research in human sexuality. God could care less about their research. And this is why Scripture warns us to be careful of science falsely so called. And Scripture could care even more less about what men say is an acceptable pratice. Such as men having sex with other men. Scripture clearly condems it. Only someone who loves their sin more than they love God's Word, would try to twist the Scriptures in this way. The meaning is obvious. If you showed these men the color black they would say it was white. If you said the sky was blue, they would say it was orange. And those who deny the clear teachings of Paul are the ones that are truly twisted.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-21-2011, 07:14 AM
 
7,628 posts, read 10,992,210 times
Reputation: 498
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymax View Post
Verses condemning temple prostitutes (qadesh), using ritual sex practices to worship pagan fertility gods 2000 years ago, have nothing to do with gays and lesbians.

If people opened their minds and studied history, as well as the Bible in it's original languages and settings, they would realise the writers of the biblical texts were not referring to homosexuals (or gays and lesbians) at all.



So when the Bible tells us in Leviticus 20:13 that if a man is having sex with another man he should be put to death.

SO PLEASE TELL US. WHY IS THIS MAN BEING PUT TO DEATH?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-21-2011, 07:14 AM
 
17,842 posts, read 14,425,018 times
Reputation: 4114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Campbell34 View Post
Rafius, your link tells us that Anti-gay "clobber" passages in the Bible.

I would go a step more and say they clobbered the Bible itself. And that is because they don't believe the Bible. It's not that they wormed their way out of the truth. They just refuse to believe it. Then they go on to tell us that because Paul lived in a pre-scientific era. He did not have access to the research in human sexuality. God could care less about their research. And this is why Scripture warns us to be careful of science falsely so called. And Scripture could care even more less about what men say is an acceptable pratice. Such as men having sex with other men. Scripture clearly condems it. Only someone who loves their sin more than they love God's Word, would try to twist the Scriptures in this way. The meaning is obvious. If you showed these men the color black they would say it was white. If you said the sky was blue, they would say it was orange. And those who deny the clear teachings of Paul are the ones that are truly twisted.
It's you and those who use the Bible to condemn modern gays and lesbians who have twisted the scriptures by completely ignoring the original context which referred to the ritual sex practices involved in worshipping Canaanite (OT) and Roman (NT) fertility gods. Nothing to do with homosexuals at all.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-21-2011, 07:27 AM
 
7,628 posts, read 10,992,210 times
Reputation: 498
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymax View Post
Verses condemning temple prostitutes (qadesh), using ritual sex practices to worship pagan fertility gods 2000 years ago, have nothing to do with gays and lesbians.

If people opened their minds and studied history, as well as the Bible in it's original languages and settings, they would realise the writers of the biblical texts were not referring to homosexuals (or gays and lesbians) at all.

The condemning of temple prostitutes resulted in God giving them over to their VILE AFFECTIONS. And those vile affections were (AGAINST NATURE). The men left the natural use of woman. Thus they went with the UNNATURAL USE to have sex with other men. It's so obvious, that only the spiritually blind could miss it. When obvious truth can be ignored to such an extent. It's a very sad thing. Men having sex with other men has everything to do with homosexuallity. And the Bible clearly tells us this act is unnatural and vile.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-21-2011, 07:35 AM
 
17,842 posts, read 14,425,018 times
Reputation: 4114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Campbell34 View Post
So when the Bible tells us in Leviticus 20:13 that if a man is having sex with another man he should be put to death.

SO PLEASE TELL US. WHY IS THIS MAN BEING PUT TO DEATH?
Because he would have been a qadesh - a sacred male temple prostitute worshipping Canaanite fertility gods.

You might want to actually read all the books in the OT, not just a couple of verses translated into modern English and taken out of their original context. The OT is rife with the condemnation of idolatrous worshipping practices.

Lev 18:21 'You shall not give any of your offspring to offer them to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God; I am the LORD.

Job 36:14 -"They die in youth, among (qadesh) male prostitutes of the shrines

Deut 23:17 -"None of the daughters of Israel shall be a (qadesha) cult prostitute, nor shall any of the sons of Israel be a (qadesh) cult prostitute.

1Kings 14:24 There were also (qadesh) male cult prostitutes in the land. They did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD dispossessed before the sons of Israel.

1Kings 15:12 He also put away the (qadesh) male cult prostitutes from the land and removed all the idols which his fathers had made.

1Kings 22:46 The remnant of the (qadesh) male cult prostitutes who remained in the days of his father Asa, he expelled from the land.

2Kings 23:7 He also broke down the houses of the (qadesh) male cult prostitutes which were in the house of the LORD, where the women were weaving hangings for the Asherah.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-21-2011, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
9,726 posts, read 16,795,707 times
Reputation: 14889
Quote:
Originally Posted by Campbell34 View Post
SO PLEASE TELL US. WHY IS THIS MAN BEING PUT TO DEATH?
Because humans 3400 years ago were just as easily manipulated as a few are today?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-21-2011, 07:41 AM
 
7,628 posts, read 10,992,210 times
Reputation: 498
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymax View Post
It's you and those who use the Bible to condemn modern gays and lesbians who have twisted the scriptures by completely ignoring the original context which referred to the ritual sex practices involved in worshipping Canaanite (OT) and Roman (NT) fertility gods. Nothing to do with homosexuals at all.

Clearly Romans 1:27-28 tells us that men having sex with other men is against nature, and is vile. The Scripture tells us that men left the natural use of woman to have sex with other men. That was the punishment for such rituals. If homosexual sex was ok. Why does the New Testament view sex with other men as vile and unnatural?

And why does Liviticus 20:13 tell us that men that have sex with other men should be put to death?

Clearly, both the Old and New Testaments condem the pratice. And I would say men having sex with other man has a lot to do with homosexuals. And only the delusional would deny that.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:12 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top