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Campbell34 is so misguided and I feel sorry for this religious fanatic who is so hostile to homosexuals and has nothing but contempt for us! This person accusses us as being likened to adulterers and other evil people-how Moderator cut: edit and pathetic is that! You take issue about the Bible. SO you believe everything should be taken as literally true-every verse? How stupid you are to think that! THE Bible was NOT written by GOd you moron but by men in long beards who were fallible and certainly not perfect-they were HUMANS! The Roman Catholics, the Episcopal Church, the United Methodist Church, the Presbyterians and the Evangelical Lutherans and the United Church of Christ-ALL believe as I do about the Bible. The Creation Story is just what it is- A STORY-a fairy tale. The beginning of the Bible-got to start somewhere!!! There was no Caine or ABEl! Who was there to record this-there were just these 2 people-again, another story to prove a point-the Bible is full of stories that make a moral judgement but not to be taken as literally true. Jonah and the whale? Come on!!! You need to learn to love everybody and stop this nonsense campbell341
Campbell34-there is no justification for denying gays equal justice and fairness and to be wholeheartely accepted by society. You refer to the Bible to justify your hatred towards gays
and there are no verses that specifically denounce homosexuality-only inferences! The Bible is NOT
to be taken as literally true-althought Bible-thumping Baptists and Pentecostals are known for that!
The Bible was not written by God but by men who had preconceived prejudices and were definately
not perfect! God created everybody in His image and He made people like me without any mistakes!
Being gay is NOT a choice one makes but is something your born with. I accepted the fact I was gay and I have found much support from my christian family and friends over the years! I continue to support and defend the Episcopal Church of my birth and am so proud of for making me feel loved and accepted!
The Bible itself will tell you it was written by inspired men of God. And if you are going to white out the parts of the Bible you don't want to believe, then why believe any of it?
I never said we should deny gays equal justice and fairness. I said the Bible condems the gay lifestyle. And your belief that somehow I hate gays is equally wrong. And your belief that there are no verses in the Bible that specifically denounce homosexuality is also wrong. It's obvious to me your church is more of a front. Which imbraces the ways of the world, and not the teachings of God. You pick and choose what is politically correct, while you ignore sound Biblical doctrine. And Scripture tell us, that in the last days men would not endure sound doctrine but would turn from the truth and believe a lie. So naturally, I can understand where you are coming from.
And as Leviticus 20:13 shows us. Your statement stating Scripture does not condem such a lifestyle is simply untrue.
If a man has sexual relations with another man, they have done a disgusting thing, and both shall be put to death. They are responsible for their own death.
And if the Bible is not to be taken literally, why did Jesus Christ fulfill all the prophecies of His first coming literally?
Campbell34 is so misguided and I feel sorry for this religious fanatic who is so hostile to homosexuals and has nothing but contempt for us! This person accusses us as being likened to adulterers and other evil people-how [mod edit[/mod] pathetic is that! You take issue about the Bible. SO you believe everything should be taken as literally true-every verse? Moderator cut: edit THE Bible was NOT written by GOd you moron but by men in long beards who were fallible and certainly not perfect-they were HUMANS! The Roman Catholics, the Episcopal Church, the United Methodist Church, the Presbyterians and the Evangelical Lutherans and the United Church of Christ-ALL believe as I do about the Bible. The Creation Story is just what it is- A STORY-a fairy tale. The beginning of the Bible-got to start somewhere!!! There was no Caine or ABEl! Who was there to record this-there were just these 2 people-again, another story to prove a point-the Bible is full of stories that make a moral judgement but not to be taken as literally true. Jonah and the whale? Come on!!! You need to learn to love everybody and stop this nonsense campbell341
Anyone who believes the Bible no doubt you would consider a religious fanatic. I have not shown any contemp for anyone. I have only expressed what the Bible so clearly teaches. And when you call me stupid or moron, that only shows me the contemp you have for God's word. As I have stated before. If the Bible is not to be taken literally, why did Jesus fulfill the prophecies of His first coming literally? And they use to say there was no King David either. Yet historical discovery has now revealed that King David was a real person. Historical discovery continues to show us the Bible is true.
Because Jesus brought the New Covenant which was promised to us in the Old Testament. And that Covenant was shown to us when they brought the woman caught in audultry before Jesus and they said to Him. This woman was caught in the very act. The Law demands that she be put to death. What should we do with her. And Jesus said to them, he who is without sin throw the first stone. Of course the men left then, and Jesus told the woman to go and sin no more.
Jesus saw the sin, yet He nolonger pushed the punishment. And we Christians must follow His example.
You do know that Jesus apparently never said that right? The "he who is without sin" story does not exist in the original manuscripts.
But regardless, you don't seem to listen to anything Jesus did say. He never condemned homosexuals. And Paul's letters have been corrupted related to that issue.
If the Bible is not infallible, then what can one believe. Paul did not support stoning people to death after He began to follow Christ. Your churches progressive stand is nothing more than giving the God of the Bible the finger. God did not commanded us to ignore His word or His teachings. Yes God created you. Yet God did not create murders, adulters, or Homosexuals. Clearly if you only choose to pick the parts you like in the Bible, and ignore the other parts. Then you can, and will believe a lie.
You pick and choose just as much as the rest of Campbell. Only, you're so in denial you will never admit it.
Who says they don't 'like' them...the truth is that the homosexual lifestyle is un-natural because you cannot create life from it and the anus is a place where naturally things are supposed to flow out of not into...Does my statement mean I hate gay people? No, but gay people get offended when they face these facts/truths and take it as hate and think we condemn them when only God can condemn people. facts are just facts and usually when someone hears the truth it's hard to swallow especially if it is a truth within themselves.
Infertile couples and the elderly can't create life either. And homosexuality can't be unnatural when it's prevalent in nature. That's basic logic.
The Bible itself will tell you it was written by inspired men of God. And if you are going to white out the parts of the Bible you don't want to believe, then why believe any of it?
I never said we should deny gays equal justice and fairness. I said the Bible condems the gay lifestyle. And your belief that somehow I hate gays is equally wrong. And your belief that there are no verses in the Bible that specifically denounce homosexuality is also wrong. It's obvious to me your church is more of a front. Which imbraces the ways of the world, and not the teachings of God. You pick and choose what is politically correct, while you ignore sound Biblical doctrine. And Scripture tell us, that in the last days men would not endure sound doctrine but would turn from the truth and believe a lie. So naturally, I can understand where you are coming from.
And as Leviticus 20:13 shows us. Your statement stating Scripture does not condem such a lifestyle is simply untrue.
If a man has sexual relations with another man, they have done a disgusting thing, and both shall be put to death. They are responsible for their own death.
And if the Bible is not to be taken literally, why did Jesus Christ fulfill all the prophecies of His first coming literally?
I don't know why I waste my time with you, but why do you continue to present misinformation to condemn people?
Leviticus 20:13 does not mean the same thing in English as it does in Hebrew. That verse is condemning temple prostitution during pagan sex rituals to the Caananite fertility goddess. It involved rape, male submission (very taboo in a patriarchal society) and worship of pagan gods. It has absolutely nothing to do with 21st Century gays and lesbians.
If the Bible is so important to you, perhaps you should learn what it actually says, and not what some random conservative translator or preacher tells you it should say.
Who says they don't 'like' them...the truth is that the homosexual lifestyle is un-natural because you cannot create life from it and the anus is a place where naturally things are supposed to flow out of not into...Does my statement mean I hate gay people? No, but gay people get offended when they face these facts/truths and take it as hate and think we condemn them when only God can condemn people. facts are just facts and usually when someone hears the truth it's hard to swallow especially if it is a truth within themselves.
According to the CDC, 40% of men had had anal sex with women and 35% of women had had anal sex with men.
According to surveys, about 60% of gay men have had anal sex with men
To put it in perspective:
If gays and lesbians make up about 5% of the population and you had a group of 1000 men and 1000 women:
400 straight men would have had anal sex with women.
350 straight women would have had anal sex with men.
30 gay men would have had anal sex with men.
So who is really having all that anal sex??? Heterosexuals!!!
And guess what?
Spoiler
Gays and lesbians do all sorts of other things other than having sex.
You know... like working, paying a mortgage, raising children, going to church, going to college, doing the shopping, reading books, playing sports, volunteering for charity work etc etc... you know..... like most "normal" people do.
Jaymax, one could read the whole letter one hundred times. It does not change that fact that men having sex with other men do so because God gave them over to a reprobate mind as spoken of in Romans 1:28. The reading of the full chapter only confirms the evilness of their actions. A teenager could see this. Is it that this sin is so supported by you, that you must ignore the obvious?
Verse 25 tells us that those who change the truth for a lie are the ones given over to a reprobate mind. And because of this, God gave them over to evil affections. And those evil affections show us men having sex with other men.
If having sex with other men is ok. Why does the Bible tell us God punished men who changed the truth for a lie. And that punishment came when God gave such men over to a reprobate mind. And part of that perversion was men having sex with other men?
WHY CAN'T YOU ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT IS SO CLEARLY STATED HERE?
I'm tired of trying to explain it you when your prejudice is blinding you to everything in Paul's letter but the male/male sex.
But if you MUST just focus on the ritual sex acts and not the fact that these people had gone back to their old fertility cults, read it carefully again.
Those people would have had to have been heterosexual by nature, not homosexual. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense.
And heterosexuals indulging in same-gender sex acts, has nothing to do with homosexuality or gays and lesbians.
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