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Critical thinking would be in philosophy and may lead to doubting the validity of religion. Most philosophers have doubted and rejected religion.
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Originally Posted by TheoGeek
I would disagree. I haven't met a lot of atheists that are capable of critical thinking. The simplest of arguments can defeat any atheist argument.
For example...how did life begin?
Vis: Somebody please clarify. Although I don't know anything about what is being taught in seminaries first hand, I would have thought that courses in philosophy, psychology, sociology and counseling would be part of the course schedule in order to prepare a student to minister to ALL the needs typically found in a congregation.
Theo: You must have trouble paying attention to state that a lot of atheists have problems doing critical thinking. This forum is full of them that exhibit reasoning far above average. On the other hand, you claim that a simple argument can defeat an atheist by asking how did life begin.
You claim to have three degrees, but you obviously didn't develop much critical thinking skill if you don't understand that atheist means nothing more than a belief in exactly zero gods. Nothing more. You have demonstrated your lack of thinking skill by bringing the old cliche "how did life begin" and assigning the failure to answer to ALL atheists even though anybody with even 1/2 degree could easily figure out that, by definition, it cannot apply to all atheists.
So far, you have demonstrated that you are very poorly equipped to lead a church.
BTW, the earlier post about "educated idiots" was dead on the money. I've heard the term used in reference to college educated engineers with no common sense (or the ability to tie their own shoes).
Critical thinking would be in philosophy and may lead to doubting the validity of religion. Most philosophers have doubted and rejected religion.
Kant , Hegel, Leibniz, Kierkegaard, Whitehead don't count as philosophers? Some would say that Kant was the greatest western philosopher since Aristotle, yet he was a devout Lutheran Pietist. There are also many engaged in academic philosophy that are theists today.
Vis: Somebody please clarify. Although I don't know anything about what is being taught in seminaries first hand, I would have thought that courses in philosophy, psychology, sociology and counseling would be part of the course schedule in order to prepare a student to minister to ALL the needs typically found in a congregation.
Theo: You must have trouble paying attention to state that a lot of atheists have problems doing critical thinking. This forum is full of them that exhibit reasoning far above average. On the other hand, you claim that a simple argument can defeat an atheist by asking how did life begin.
You claim to have three degrees, but you obviously didn't develop much critical thinking skill if you don't understand that atheist means nothing more than a belief in exactly zero gods. Nothing more. You have demonstrated your lack of thinking skill by bringing the old cliche "how did life begin" and assigning the failure to answer to ALL atheists even though anybody with even 1/2 degree could easily figure out that, by definition, it cannot apply to all atheists.
So far, you have demonstrated that you are very poorly equipped to lead a church.
BTW, the earlier post about "educated idiots" was dead on the money. I've heard the term used in reference to college educated engineers with no common sense (or the ability to tie their own shoes).
I have asked the most basic question and it has not been answered. Where did life begin?
I have debated atheists, I have watched debates, and I have read Dawkins, Hitchens, etc. Honestly...if there is an atheist that can demonstrate simple critical thinking skills and provide me with a sound answer to the most basic questions, I'd love to see him/her. I could lead you through any of a number of proofs for the existence of God and I have yet to see anyone on this board capable of giving me a sound rebuttal for the Cosmological argument, much less the simple question of the origin of life.
Heck..you can't even tell me where absolute morality comes from.
I've only two (masters) degrees to count... how about someone with more than two explain that? But if you care... I would say... "life" is nothing but a chemical reaction. It started with one, it ends when the reaction ceases to exist.
Could you provide a better explanation, with "critical thinking" as its signature?
I've only two (masters) degrees to count... how about someone with more than two explain that? But if you care... I would say... "life" is nothing but a chemical reaction. It started with one, it ends when the reaction ceases to exist.
Could you provide a better explanation, with "critical thinking" as its signature?
If it is just a "chemical reaction", why can't we make life by combining chemicals?
I would question if you have actually thought this out, or are you just merely accepting what you've been told?
No, Seminary and theology doctorates doesn't make one much more qualified to say what's in the Bible than anyone else. There are plenty of ministers and priests with Ph.D.s from Harvard Divinity who teach tons of inaccurate, hateful, and self-righteous things based on their own opinions.
so true--one of the most UNCHRISTIAN priests i ever met has a slew of titles and degrees from the vatican---makes me really wonder
We would, just as soon as we can figure out the right ingredients.
You're begging the question. You have no reason to believe the "right ingredients" will ever be "figured out". You are assuming they will be, without any reason to believe it. Or if there is anything more to life than "chemicals".
I have asked the most basic question and it has not been answered. Where did life begin?
I have debated atheists, I have watched debates, and I have read Dawkins, Hitchens, etc. Honestly...if there is an atheist that can demonstrate simple critical thinking skills and provide me with a sound answer to the most basic questions, I'd love to see him/her. I could lead you through any of a number of proofs for the existence of God and I have yet to see anyone on this board capable of giving me a sound rebuttal for the Cosmological argument, much less the simple question of the origin of life.
Heck..you can't even tell me where absolute morality comes from.
You keep changing the subject to avoid dealing with the direct issues. Who cares where life began? Nobody, atheist or otherwise, is obligated to provide you with the answers to life's most perplexing questions. So, you introduce some more questions that you seem to think are necessary for high level thinking. You're avoiding the issues and changing the subject again. What I think this has lead to is the avoidance of your questions be the (very) intelligent people here because you won't accept a logical response, but will change the subject again. Now you've added the Cosmological argument to the mix, as well as deciding that you can prove the existence of God, something which nobody else here has been able to do. If you can lead us through any number of these proofs, surely there will be at least two or three people on here that will agree with you.
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I've heard the term used in reference to college educated engineers with no common sense (or the ability to tie their own shoes).
