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Old 02-21-2012, 07:25 AM
 
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(1) It is an indisputable and yet remarkable fact that many natural objects appear to have been designed for a purpose: the eye for seeing, the hand for grasping, etc.
(2) The only reasonable explanation for this appearance of purpose is that natural things are ultimately the product of an immensely powerful supernatural intelligence, namely God.
(IBE) If an hypothesis H is the only reasonable explanation of a remarkable fact F, then it is reasonable to believe that H is true.
(3) Therefore, it is reasonable to believe is that God exists.


What are your views on the Design argument?

I believe the Design argument is very well presented as an alternative to
the theory of evolution.

With all the millions of different varied creatures and plants on this earth
and they each have a different role to play, it is impossible (at least for
any rational thinking person) that pond skum or a couple of amoebas could
have planned all these plethora of differences in the animal and plant
kingdom up. There is just no way all of this could have come about by
chance. The odds are so against chance (and I'm talking scientifically
here) that all the varried species are what they are today by chance is
just not rational.

I truly believe in Intelligent Design.
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:07 AM
 
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So that's the best you've got is it....just repeating "expertly designed" even though though you have been shown that things are not expertly designed. After that bout of idiocy from you we can see what you really are......
I see your response as an intended insult.
Your opinion of me does not matter.
They are expertly designed because every one of those objects you find fault with, serve their intended purpose!
You would have to contend that the heart, eyes, ears, blood, lungs etc, have no purpose at all!
Is that your contention?


Wilson.
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:14 AM
 
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I see your response as an intended insult.
Your opinion of me does not matter.
They are expertly designed because every one of those objects you find fault with, serve their intended purpose!
You would have to contend that the heart, eyes, ears, blood, lungs etc, have no purpose at all!
Is that your contention?


Wilson.
The Ford Pinto expertly designed.
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:16 AM
 
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So that's the best you've got is it....just repeating "expertly designed" even though though you have been shown that things are not expertly designed. After that bout of idiocy from you we can see what you really are......

Yep, just another YEC with their fingers in their ears yelling LALALALALALA

Nothing to see here folks..
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:20 AM
 
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I see your response as an intended insult.
Your opinion of me does not matter.
They are expertly designed because every one of those objects you find fault with, serve their intended purpose!
You would have to contend that the heart, eyes, ears, blood, lungs etc, have no purpose at all!
Is that your contention?
Wilson.
Funny thing is, we mere mortals can design analogous systems to those which are far more effective, resilient and efficient than your god apparently is capable of. And we can't even create universes yet!

Again, NOT very intelligent design.
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:23 AM
 
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Yep, just another YEC with their fingers in their ears yelling LALALALALALA

Nothing to see here folks..
That dude needs help!
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:35 AM
 
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Funny thing is, we mere mortals can design analogous systems to those which are far more effective, resilient and efficient than your god apparently is capable of. And we can't even create universes yet!

Again, NOT very intelligent design.
Then you ought to take a good look at biomemetics.
The whale did not design the tubercles on its flippers and the seagull did not design the heat exchangers in its feet. Yet they serve the creatures' needs and men are now copying their design.
WHOdidit first?


Wilson.
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:49 AM
 
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Evolved?



How does an interdependent cycle evolve? There are millions of examples.

Cycle evolving = Never observed. Requires GREAT faith!

The simple cell is more complex than mankinds' most complex factories. It seems, we need to advance our understanding of complex systems by seeking the designer to understand what he says about his blueprints.

It does seem his understanding is far beyond ours.


Is there evidence the Designer gave us a message? Yep. A good series to watch.


Chuck Missler - Cosmic Codes - Vol 3 (Macrocodes) - Part 1 - YouTube
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Old 02-21-2012, 09:01 AM
 
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Okay IDers explain the intelligent design that is the human appendix.
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Old 02-21-2012, 09:05 AM
 
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That dude needs help!
You have nt answered my question, so I repeat:
"They are expertly designed because every one of those objects you find fault with, serve their intended purpose!
You would have to contend that the heart, eyes, ears, blood, lungs etc, have no purpose at all!

Is that your contention?"


Wilson.
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