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Old 03-09-2012, 10:25 AM
 
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When it says God formed man from the soil of the ground and breathed into him the breath of life, was God an amoeba or a knuckle dragging chimp?

Could a group of amoebas conspire to create a human with all its increddible intricate design? Could a knuckle dragging chimp?

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Old 03-09-2012, 10:30 AM
 
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Of course neither amoebas or primates designed, planned or in any way 'created' humans. The theory (whether you accept it or not) is evolution through the naturally occurring mechanism of process natural selection.

Any meaningful discussion of the evidence for evolution vs. Goddunnit would require first that you at least understand the theory, or the theist side of the debate would merely be sound and fury and not much else.
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Old 03-09-2012, 10:42 AM
 
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Of course neither amoebas or primates designed, planned or in any way 'created' humans. The theory (whether you accept it or not) is evolution through the naturally occurring mechanism of process natural selection.

Any meaningful discussion of the evidence for evolution vs. Goddunnit would require first that you at least understand the theory, or the theist side of the debate would merely be sound and fury and not much else.
Let me begin by saying I absolutely believe in evolution.

However, I do not believe that natural selection is the mechanism of evolution. Note that all ends of natural selection result in minor physiological or even superficial characteristics. the classic example of natural selection was a particular moth in London, which was primarily brown, with a few individuals who were black. Come the early industrial age, and all that soot everywhere, and practically overnight the predominant color of the species is black.

Breeding dogs does not result in evolutionary change. It does not lead to new species.

Hence my argument that natural selection is not the mechanism of evolution.
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Old 03-09-2012, 11:06 AM
 
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Of course neither amoebas or primates designed, planned or in any way 'created' humans. The theory (whether you accept it or not) is evolution through the naturally occurring mechanism of process natural selection.

Any meaningful discussion of the evidence for evolution vs. Goddunnit would require first that you at least understand the theory, or the theist side of the debate would merely be sound and fury and not much else.
O.K. AREQUIPA,

What was the very first stage from which every animal that ever existed on this earth came into being?

Who started the very first stage.

In National Geographic they state, as a matter of fact, that all animals started from a single cell. I kid you not. Here is what they say:

Ker Than
for National Geographic News
Updated May 14, 2010 (first posted May 13, 2010)
All life on Earth evolved from a single-celled organism that lived roughly 3.5 billion years ago, a new study seems to confirm.

The study supports the widely held "universal common ancestor" theory first proposed by Charles Darwin more than 150 years ago.
(Pictures: "Seven Major 'Missing Links' Since Darwin.")
Using computer models and statistical methods, biochemist Douglas Theobald calculated the odds that all species from the three main groups, or "domains," of life evolved from a common ancestor—versus, say, descending from several different life-forms or arising in their present form, Adam and Eve style.
The domains are bacteria, bacteria-like microbes called Archaea, and eukaryotes, the group that includes plants and other multicellular species, such as humans." (end of quote).



If you say amoebas then you must figure that amoebas somehow were able to design millions of different animals from dynosaurs to the teeny dust mite.

Surely you are not going to tell me that all the millions of DIFFERENT animals today from worms to dust mites to dynasaurs to humans all had the very same parent!

Amazing that they used a computer to determine that every living creature on the earth today came from the lowly amoeba or microbe . . . a bacteria-like microbe.
They used a computer to prove this. A computer! Is that real proof? They used statistical methods. Is that real proof?

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Old 03-09-2012, 11:18 AM
 
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Surely you are not going to tell me that all the millions of DIFFERENT animals today from worms to dust mites to dynasaurs to humans all had the very same parent!
It's called a universal common ancestor. Based on current scientific knowledge, all life that has ever existed on earth came from a universal common ancestor which lived sometime between 3.5 and 3.8 billion years ago.

It was a single-celled organism. But it looks like you just beat me to it, so there you go. :-)
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Old 03-09-2012, 11:22 AM
 
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It's called a universal common ancestor. Based on current scientific knowledge, all life that has ever existed on earth came from a universal common ancestor which lived sometime between 3.5 and 3.8 billion years ago.

It was a single-celled organism.
Thanks for your post. I am now fully convinced. I'm sure it came with a birth certificate stating who the Parent was.
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Old 03-09-2012, 11:27 AM
 
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Let me begin by saying I absolutely believe in evolution.

However, I do not believe that natural selection is the mechanism of evolution. Note that all ends of natural selection result in minor physiological or even superficial characteristics. the classic example of natural selection was a particular moth in London, which was primarily brown, with a few individuals who were black. Come the early industrial age, and all that soot everywhere, and practically overnight the predominant color of the species is black.

Breeding dogs does not result in evolutionary change. It does not lead to new species.

Hence my argument that natural selection is not the mechanism of evolution.
You are on the right track believing in evolution, but wrong about the part natural selection plays in it.... It is natural and sexual selection that are the driving forces of evolution...

If not natural selection, what do you think drives evolution?
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Old 03-09-2012, 11:28 AM
 
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Thanks for your post. I am now fully convinced. I'm sure it came with a birth certificate stating who the Parent was.
Since this is a Christianity forum, I'll just say that mainstream Christian churches today accept the science of evolution but believe that it was guided by God. So, it's theistic evolution.
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Old 03-09-2012, 11:33 AM
 
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Since this is a Christianity forum, I'll just say that mainstream Christian churches today accept the science of evolution but believe that it was guided by God. So, it's theistic evolution.
So for 3.6 to 3.8 billion years these amoebas were having a little skum party and for the last 10,000 years, BAM they suddenly got their act together and humans and animals appeared. I like that evolution. Sort of all of a sudden but evolution none-the-less. "One giant step for man, one giant leap for mankind" kind of thing.

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Old 03-09-2012, 11:45 AM
 
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So for 3.6 to 3.8 billion years these amoebas were having a little skum party and for the last 10,000 years, BAM they suddenly got their act together and humans and animals appeared. I like that evolution. Sort of all of a sudden but evolution none-the-less.
Astounding!...One really shouldn't discuss a subject that they have absolutely knowledge about. Exploring Life's Origins: A Timeline of Life's Evolution
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