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I don't recall Jesus organizing a church, either. I guess as long as Jesus' followers are restricted to the actions he performed and the ideals he explicitly addressed, there can't be a church of Jesus Christ.
He did have followers, at one time there were thousands gathered.
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Some of the corporations owned by the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints"...
-La'ie Shopping Center
-Deseret Management Corporation
-Beneficial Financial Group
-Bonneville International
-Bonneville Interactive Services
-Bonneville Satellite
35 Radio Stations
-1 Television Station (KSL)
-Deseret Book
-Excel Entertainment
-Deseret Morning News
-Hawaii Reserves
-Polynesian Cultural Center (PCC)
-Mstar.net
-Temple Square Hospitality
-Weddings (Josph Smith MB & Lion House)
-The Inn at Temple Square (no longer - since Mall pursuit)
-Lion House Pantry
-The Roof Restaurant
-The Garden Restaurant
-Passages Restaurant
-Zions Securities Corporation
-Deseret Trust company
-LDS Family Services
-Propery Reserves Inc. (PRI)
-Ensign Peak Advisors
-Deseret Mutual Benefit Administrators (DMBA)
-Brigham Young University (BYU)
-BYU- Idaho
-BYU- Hawaii
-LDS Business College
(& more...)
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Last edited by Miss Blue; 03-29-2012 at 08:54 AM..
Reason: deleting flames that are denominational bashing
He did have followers, at one time there were thousands gathered.
So you are incorrect in stating that he didn't have any organization.
A simple crowd gathered is not an organization, irrespective of its size.
[quote=SuperSoul;23612682]But it is true that those claiming to be leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ do not act as he did.
Some of the corporations owned by the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints"...
-La'ie Shopping Center
-Deseret Management Corporation
-Beneficial Financial Group
-Bonneville International
-Bonneville Interactive Services
-Bonneville Satellite
35 Radio Stations
-1 Television Station (KSL)
-Deseret Book
-Excel Entertainment
-Deseret Morning News
-Hawaii Reserves
-Polynesian Cultural Center (PCC)
-Mstar.net
-Temple Square Hospitality
-Weddings (Josph Smith MB & Lion House)
-The Inn at Temple Square (no longer - since Mall pursuit)
-Lion House Pantry
-The Roof Restaurant
-The Garden Restaurant
-Passages Restaurant
-Zions Securities Corporation
-Deseret Trust company
-LDS Family Services
-Propery Reserves Inc. (PRI)
-Ensign Peak Advisors
-Deseret Mutual Benefit Administrators (DMBA)
-Brigham Young University (BYU)
-BYU- Idaho
-BYU- Hawaii
-LDS Business College
(& more...)
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They do have a corporate arm known as the Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I don't see anything within the Bible that precludes a church from running businesses, especially when those businesses provide employment for thousands and services, both free and paid, that promote the church's values and their gospel throughout the world. I also don't see anything in the Bible that states Jesus' followers are not allowed to do anything he didn't do.
Last edited by Miss Blue; 03-29-2012 at 08:57 AM..
If you're not a Mormon, will you still be allowed to shop there?
Is this a serious question? Of course you can shop there if you're not a Mormon. It's really not a "Mormon Shooping Mall"; that was just the OP's negative bias showing. Salt Lake City is comprised of about 50% LDS and 50% non-LDS. I'm sure they'll all be shopping at the stores (and you won't be able to tell which ones are which ).
I have a huge problem with the mall. Over a 30 year period the LDS church gave $1 billion in humanitarian aid. Now they spend $5 billion on a shopping mall that is not proven it will succeed. Sure, it provided jobs for people who probably already had adequate food. How about them starving people? the homeless? Nah, a shopping mall is more important.
Jesus in the NT is against riches. The Book of Mormon is against riches.
I have a huge problem with the mall. Over a 30 year period the LDS church gave $1 billion in humanitarian aid. Now they spend $5 billion on a shopping mall that is not proven it will succeed. Sure, it provided jobs for people who probably already had adequate food. How about them starving people? the homeless? Nah, a shopping mall is more important.
Jesus in the NT is against riches. The Book of Mormon is against riches.
Hmmm.
Good points.
I would be fine if the church called itself what it is... a series of corporations, this mall being the latest addition.
By how it handles finances, it does not act like the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints."
And I'd probably not be so upset if I & many I love weren't personally affected by this financial exploitation. The church leaders tell us (members) that we are to pay tithes first, before any bills, & if we do so, we will be blessed and avoid damnation. We can only be "celestially" worthy to enter the temple, if we pay tithes, which is checked by leaders regularly by temple interviews and tithing settlements. Moderator cut: deleted but members are brought up to believe it's normal - that they OWE 10% of their gross income to Mormon leaders. If they don't comply with religious rules, they are often shunned or otherwise limited socially. No wonder that Utah leads the nation in antidepressants.
As you mentioned, FireoftheCovenant, Jesus taught to seek first the kingdom of God, & instructed a rich man to give all he had to the poor and follow Jesus, but he wouldn't. I don't think Jesus believed money was bad, but just the love & worship of it is & when it comes before keeping the greatest commandments of all... To love God and love others as ourselves... "on these 2 commandments hang all the law & the prophets."
When asked who is their neighbor, Jesus gave the parable of the good Samaritan & to go & "do likewise." Moderator cut: edit But in the good Samaritan parable, the Samaritan didn't flip out a lesson manual & give missionary discussions to the dying man... he helped him.
"Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these, ye have done it unto me...
Inasmuch as ye have NOT done it unto one of the least of these, ye have NOT done it unto me." Poverty - YouTube
IMO, Jesus would not build & run a shopping mall, when so many are dying of preventable causes.
How many riches does the Catholic church have in Rome and elsewhere?
I agree that I would be ticked if the business end of a religious group was untaxed because of the religious ownership, but otherwise, no problem. Maybe that helps the group to stop hitting up members for money.
There are stories of the church bribing owners with substantial lower rents / leases if the businesses in their properties stop serving alcohol. Not sure if that policy is still in place in general or has been used at this property.
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