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Old 06-19-2012, 01:40 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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that will be acheived by Allah.

(It will be said to them): 'Enter therein (Paradise), in peace and security

And We shall remove from their breasts any deep feeling of bitterness (that they may have). (So they will be like) brothers facing each other on thrones.

No sense of fatigue shall touch them, nor shall they (ever) be asked to leave it. The Noble Quran.

Will we have 'free-will' in your heaven?
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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I would really love to know how many of these Islamicist threads are really started by different people, or if it's only a handful of people continually coming up with different screen names.
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Old 06-19-2012, 08:57 AM
 
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So you exercise your free will in this life to achieve robot status in paradise, thanks but no thanks.


your understanding for the life in paradise is not correct.
and in all the cases that should not make you prefer the other option which is Hell.
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:28 AM
 
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Will we have 'free-will' in your heaven?

in paradise anything you want to do it or you want to have it will be between your hands,

the person in this life might live for a hundred years and it can be more or less but in paradise he will live for ever, infinity,

who will make him live for ever ?
who will make him in good health for ever ?
Allah.

the bottom line is despite that he will have a free will and despite that he can do what ever he likes , he will never think or do any bad thing such as steeling , raping ,gay and homosexual.
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Venice Italy
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your understanding for the life in paradise is not correct.
and in all the cases that should not make you prefer the other option which is Hell.





As you know Islam and Christianity have roots in the Jewish religion ( better they comes from the Israelite cult ) infact they are called the Abrahamic cults, may I ask you if there are some specific reasons that force you to think about a hypothetical distinction in yours faith
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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...the bottom line is despite that he will have a free will and despite that he can do what ever he likes , he will never think or do any bad thing such as steeling , raping ,gay and homosexual.
Then it only left to ask....

If your god can have a situation in 'heaven' where one will have free will and the ability to have whatever one wants but will never think or do any bad thing, why did your god not create the same situation here on Earth?
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Then it only left to ask....

If your god can have a situation in 'heaven' where one will have free will and the ability to have whatever one wants but will never think or do any bad thing, why did your god not create the same situation here on Earth?
Keep in mind those who choose the path that leads to heaven will have overcome the desire to sin. They will have free will,and it is by their free will to serve God(swt) they have entered heaven. They entered Heaven partially because they do not have the desire to do evil.
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Old 06-19-2012, 08:03 PM
 
Location: The Land of Oz.
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Keep in mind those who choose the path that leads to heaven will have overcome the desire to sin. They will have free will,and it is by their free will to serve God(swt) they have entered heaven. They entered Heaven partially because they do not have the desire to do evil.
It must take an incredible capacity for self delusion to convince yourself that on earth free will and sinlessness are mutually exclusive but without any change to humanity at all free will and sinlessness in heaven is the only possibility.
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Old 06-19-2012, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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It must take an incredible capacity for self delusion to convince yourself that on earth free will and sinlessness are mutually exclusive but without any change to humanity at all free will and sinlessness in heaven is the only possibility.
In a perfect world a person with free will and not wanting to sin would be able to remain sinless. Earth is not perfect and people do succumb to temptation. Heaven is a perfect place, there is no temptation, people will be able to live their desire to not sin without facing temptations.
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:14 PM
 
Location: The Land of Oz.
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In a perfect world a person with free will and not wanting to sin would be able to remain sinless. Earth is not perfect and people do succumb to temptation. Heaven is a perfect place, there is no temptation, people will be able to live their desire to not sin without facing temptations.
No temptation equates to lobotomized. Thanks but no thanks.
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