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Originally Posted by truth_teller
my main source is the final holy book The Holy Quran .
and the Quran is correct 100% , and any events outside the Quran can be true or not.
Copts means the people of Egypt In Pharaoh's time.
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Oh please. The koran is no more correct than the bible or the book of mormon.
Let's face it, everyone of the main characters involved met with an angel or a god. And always without witnesses. Then they told gullible followers what they had to believe.
Oh please. The koran is no more correct than the bible or the book of mormon.
Let's face it, everyone of the main characters involved met with an angel or a god. And always without witnesses. Then they told gullible followers what they had to believe.
It was my fault for responding All you will get is a declaration that the Quran is totally true and a foot - long strip of script. It does however underline my contention that, if the Bible goes down, it takes Islam with it. Since it takes much of the Bible as true that I am sure isn't, that kicks the slats out of Islam, for me.
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Originally Posted by AREQUIPA
It was my fault for responding All you will get is a declaration that the Quran is totally true and a foot - long strip of script. It does however underline my contention that, if the Bible goes down, it takes Islam with it. Since it takes much of the Bible as true that I am sure isn't, that kicks the slats out of Islam, for me.
I always get a kick out of those foot long scripts, whether from the koran or bible.
They always come across as 'blah,blah,blah', as there never is any context.
my main source is the final holy book The Holy Quran .
and the Quran is correct 100% , and any events outside the Quran can be true or not.
Copts means the people of Egypt In Pharaoh's time.
more verses regarding Prophet Musa peace be upon him
And We revealed to Musa's mothers, saying: Give him suck, then when you fear for him, cast him into the river and do not fear nor grieve; surely We will bring him back to you and make him one of the apostles.
And Firon's family took him up that he might be an enemy and a grief for them; surely Firon and Haman and their hosts were wrongdoers.
And Firon's wife said: A refreshment of the eye to me and to you; do not slay him; maybe he will be useful to us, or we may take him for a son; and they did not perceive.
And the heart of Musa's mother was free (from anxiety) she would have almost disclosed it had We not strengthened her heart so that she might be of the believers.
And she said to his sister: Follow him up. So she watched him from a distance while they did not perceive,
And We ordained that he refused to suck any foster mother before, so she said: Shall I point out to you the people of a house who will take care of him for you, and they will be benevolent to him?
So We gave him back to his mother that her eye might be refreshed, and that she might no grieve, and that she might know that the promise of Allah is true, but most of them do not know.
And when he attained his maturity and became full grown, We granted him wisdom and knowledge; and thus do We reward those who do good (to others).
And he went into the city at a time of unvigilance on the part of its people, so he found therein two men fighting, one being of his party and the other of his foes, and he who was of his party cried out to him for help against him who was of his enemies, so Musa struck him with his fist and killed him. He said: This is on account of the Shaitan's doing; surely he is an enemy, openly leading astray.
He said: My Lord! surely I have done harm to myself, so do Thou protect me. So He protected him; surely He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.
He said: My Lord! because Thou hast bestowed a favor on me, I shall never be a backer of the guilty.
And he was in the city, fearing, awaiting, when lo! he who had asked his assistance the day before was crying out to him for aid. Musa said to him: You are most surely one erring manifestly.
So when he desired to seize him who was an enemy to them both, he said: O Musa! do you intend to kill me as you killed a person yesterday? You desire nothing but that you should be a tyrant in the land, and you do not desire to be of those who act aright.
And a man came running from the remotest part of the city. He said: O Musa! surely the chiefs are consulting together to slay you, therefore depart (at once); surely I am of those who wish well to you.
So he went forth therefrom, fearing, awaiting, (and) he said: My Lord! deliver me from the unjust people.
And when he turned his face towards Madyan, he said: Maybe my Lord will guide me in the right path.
And when he came to the water of Madyan, he found on it a group of men watering, and he found besides them two women keeping back (their flocks). He said: What is the matter with you? They said: We cannot water until the shepherds take away (their sheep) from the water, and our father is a very old man.
So he watered (their sheep) for them, then went back to the shade and said: My Lord! surely I stand in need of whatever good Thou mayest send down to me.
Then one of the two women came to him walking bashfully. She said: My father invites you that he may give you the reward of your having watered for us. So when he came to him and gave to him the account, he said: Fear not, you are secure from the unjust people.
Said one of them: O my father! employ him, surely the best of those that you can employ is the strong man, the faithful one.
He said: I desire to marry one of these two daughters of mine to you on condition that you should serve me for eight years; but if you complete ten, it will be of your own free will, and I do not wish to be hard to you; if Allah please, you will find me one of the good.
He said: This shall be (an agreement) between me and you; whichever of the two terms I fulfill, there shall be no wrongdoing to me; and Allah is a witness of what we say.
So when Musa had fulfilled the term, and he journeyed with his family, he perceived on this side of the mountain a fire. He said to his family: Wait, I have seen a fire, maybe I will bring to you from it some news or a brand of fire, so that you may warm yourselves.
And when he came to it, a voice was uttered from the right side of the valley in the blessed spot of the bush, saying: O Musa! surely I am Allah, the Lord of the worlds.
And saying: Cast down you staff. So when he saw it in motion as if it were a serpent, he turned back retreating, and did not return. O Musa! come forward and fear not; surely you are of those who are secure;
Enter your hand into the opening of your bosom, it will come forth white without evil, and draw your hand to yourself to ward off fear: so these two shall be two arguments from your Lord to Firon and his chiefs, surely they are a transgressing people.
He said: My Lord! surely I killed one of them, so I fear lest they should slay me;
And my brother, Haroun, he is more eloquent of tongue than I, therefore send him with me as an aider, verifying me: surely I fear that they would reject me.
He said: We will strengthen your arm with your brother, and We will give you both an authority, so that they shall not reach you; (go) with Our signs; you two and those who follow you shall be uppermost.
So when Musa came to them with Our clear signs, they said: This is nothing but forged enchantment, and we never heard of it amongst our fathers of old.
And Musa said: My Lord knows best who comes with guidance from Him, and whose shall be the good end of the abode; surely the unjust shall not be successful.
And Firon said: O chiefs! I do not know of any god for you besides myself; therefore kindle a fire for me, O Haman, for brick, then prepare for me a lofty building so that I may obtain knowledge of Musa's god, and most surely I think him to be one of the liars.
And he was unjustly proud in the land, he and his hosts, and they deemed that they would not be brought back to Us.
So We caught hold of him and his hosts, then We cast them into the sea, and see how was the end of the unjust.
Oh please. The koran is no more correct than the bible or the book of mormon.
Let's face it, everyone of the main characters involved met with an angel or a god. And always withoutwitnesses. Then they told gullible followers what they had to believe.
the witness are the words of the god that are inside the Quran
and that could not be declared by any human at that time,
let alone when this human illiterate cannot read and cannot write.
the witness are the words of the god that are inside the Quran
and that could not be declared by any human at that time,
let alone when this human illiterate cannot read and cannot write.
What Muslims do is contort what is written in the Koran and try to make it seem like some scientific foresight. We've been over many of them where I and others have explained that what you contend is not the case, yet you will hang onto them because your religion depends upon it.
I agree but before that Copts was referring for people of Egypt
Ok, I get the idea, since 'Copts' is derived from the greek for Egyptians. I still think it betrays a view of the Egyptians people as muslim egyptians and Christians (coptic) Egyptians, but I can see how it can be made to apply to all the ancient Egyptians. I withdraw the objection to 'Copts'.
The 60 million dollar question is can people over a 2000 year span be that stupid that they couldn't see through all this nonsense? I mean didn't a part of their common sense---we're talking a couple billion Christians over the last two millennia---didn't some small part of their common sense activate at some point and say, "You know, this doesn't line up with this, and this doesn't make a bit of sense. All this just can't be factual."
Well, certainly they did.
But when they vocalized this, their homes and goods were torn from them, their wives and children thrown out into the street (if not killed), they were dragged into a dungeon and had hot iron rods inserted into various portions of their bodies slowly and their eyes popped inward into their skulls with screws. After which they changed their minds.
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All you will get is a declaration that the Quran is totally true and a foot - long strip of script. It does however underline my contention that, if the Bible goes down, it takes Islam with it. Since it takes much of the Bible as true that I am sure isn't, that kicks the slats out of Islam, for me.
