Paul/Peter/John/Jesus said that the end days were 2000 yrs ago (Jehovah's Witness, hell)
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All of them believed that the end of days was going to happen in their generation. And when it did not happen, Christians have found creative (and sometimes funny) ways of saying "what they really meant". But why do that? The Bible did say that no one is supposed to know. So it's ok to realize that all of them were wrong in believing that it's going to happen in their days.
Mat 24:36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Anyways, here are the verses which, if you put them together, are all talking about the same thing - the end is near:
Paul said: 1Co 7:29-31 …the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none...those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.
Peter said: 1Pe 4:7 The end of all things is near. 1Pe 1:20 (Jesus was)…revealed in these last times…
John wrote that Jesus is coming soon (in Revelation 3:11, 22:20).
John the Baptist said: “the kingdom of heaven is near”
Jesus said: Mat 24:34 I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
Mat 16:27-28 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels…I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
Jews believed that Elijah will come first and then the Day of the Lord will come right after.
Mal 4:5 "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes.
Mathew 17:12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him
It may be fun if you post your way of interpreting, to show that they were not talking about their own time/days when they were talking about the "last days" or "end of time".
For example, I know two ways.
About Jesus saying: I am coming soon.... They say: 1 day with the Lord is like a 1000 years and so when Jesus said that, he was counting in God's days... So like to us it's going to be 2000 years since his promise, but to him, it's only 2 days. So from his perspective, 2 days IS soon. And we should have known that basically.
About how Jesus was revealed in the last times (even though it was 2000 years ago).
According to the Bible, humanity existed for 6000 years. And the second coming is near. Probably will happen at the dawn of the 7000th year because "on the 7th day the Lord rested" so it should coincide like that.
So if you take 6000 years and divide by 3, each period is 2000 years. So if Jesus came within the period of the LAST 2000 years, then that period can be considered that he came "in the last days".
It may be fun if you post your way of interpreting, to show that they were not talking about their own time/days when they were talking about the "last days" or "end of time".
For example, I know two ways.
About Jesus saying: I am coming soon.... They say: 1 day with the Lord is like a 1000 years and so when Jesus said that, he was counting in God's days... So like to us it's going to be 2000 years since his promise, but to him, it's only 2 days. So from his perspective, 2 days IS soon. And we should have known that basically.
About how Jesus was revealed in the last times (even though it was 2000 years ago).
According to the Bible, humanity existed for 6000 years. And the second coming is near. Probably will happen at the dawn of the 7000th year because "on the 7th day the Lord rested" so it should coincide like that.
So if you take 6000 years and divide by 3, each period is 2000 years. So if Jesus came within the period of the LAST 2000 years, then that period can be considered that he came "in the last days".
Anyone else?
Sure. Jesus said that some of the people standing there with him would still be alive and that the current generation would still be around when the Son of Man comes with his angels. And we should note that Jesus said "this generation" numerous times in the Gospels and every time it is clear that he really meant the people who were alive when he was speaking.
Matthew 16:27-28
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done. “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Matthew 24:30-34
“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
Mark 8:38- 9:1
If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”
And he said to them, “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.”
Mark 13:26-30
“At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens. “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door. Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
Luke 9:26-27
Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.
“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”
Luke 21:27-32
At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
He told them this parable: “Look at the fig tree and all the trees. When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.
“Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
The Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 all refer to the destruction of Jerusalem, which happened in 70 CE and the Son of Man would come with his angels "immediately after the distress of those days" (Matthew 24:29).
Sure. Jesus said that some of the people standing there with him would still be alive and that the current generation would still be around when the Son of Man comes with his angels. And we should note that Jesus said "this generation" numerous times in the Gospels and every time it is clear that he really meant the people who were alive when he was speaking.
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Didn’t happen though, did it?
Nope. And it's fun when the fundavangelists "explain" why it hasn't and why it's gonna be any day/week/month...year...decade.......century............... ..millennium.....................................a eon.
Last edited by TroutDude; 12-28-2014 at 06:20 PM..
Reason: Stupid software won't accept aeon as one word.
The years of the king who comes teaching secrets of Torah IS 2000 years.
Centuries before Jesus came, it was already known, believed and taught that the Messiah would come teaching the secrets of Torah on the 4th day, and the years of the Messiah would last for 2000 years until another era is ushered in.
This is Orthodox Jewish thought, things known by Jews well before Jesus was ever born.
Ask a Jew that doesn't believe in Jesus,'' How long are the days of the King?''
All of them believed that the end of days was going to happen in their generation. And when it did not happen, Christians have found creative (and sometimes funny) ways of saying "what they really meant". But why do that? The Bible did say that no one is supposed to know. So it's ok to realize that all of them were wrong in believing that it's going to happen in their days.
Mat 24:36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Anyways, here are the verses which, if you put them together, are all talking about the same thing - the end is near:
Paul said: 1Co 7:29-31 …the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none...those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.
Peter said: 1Pe 4:7 The end of all things is near. 1Pe 1:20 (Jesus was)…revealed in these last times…
John wrote that Jesus is coming soon (in Revelation 3:11, 22:20).
John the Baptist said: “the kingdom of heaven is near”
Jesus said: Mat 24:34 I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
Mat 16:27-28 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels…I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
Jews believed that Elijah will come first and then the Day of the Lord will come right after.
Mal 4:5 "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes.
Mathew 17:12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him
A person who walks the path of Jesus DOES come to the end of his days, and the day of the end is Tishri one.
Jesus is always talking of a week that concerns the people who follow him. There is one week and each of the 7 days are named.
Jesus instructed us that Elijah must come again and restore all things and Elijah has most certainly come.
''Some standing here will see the kingdom of heaven before they taste death.''
They SAW the kingdom in Elijah, Moses, and Jesus.
THAT IS THE KINGDOM.
A prophet
A priest
A king
The kingdom of heaven is within us and we begin to walk as prophets trying to be priests and kings.
We don't look to the physical world for the coming of the kingdom, we walk into the kingdom right now if we follow the plan.
Most often the role of a prophet is to speak of a near future for God speaks through them for a farther future. Under the circumstance, a prophet will bear a chance to be "fulfilled" multiple times.
Jesus can do this as well when He submitted Himself as a human prophet instead of part of His Trinity.
Christians who believe that Jesus is still coming back are experts at moving the goal posts. The fact is, in that ancient Jewish world, ripe with apocalyptic talk and fervor, it was not surprising to find such talk of end times and the likes. In fact, the chatter began as far back as a few hundred years before the New Testament era, as weary Jews, tired of being kicked around by one empire after the other and believing they were the chosen people, began to look for deliverance. In preparation, sects like the Essenes abandoned civilization to head to the desert to purify themselves and wait for their great teacher to arrive. Sects like the Pharisees took a rigid adherence to the law like modern day Muslim zealots do with their religion. It was in this world the New Testament was back-dropped against.
The writers did not have anything beyond their time and just beyond it in mind. Apocalyptic writings (even today) ALWAYS reach fever pitch in times of crisis and is concerned with the THEN, not events 2,000 years into the future, but for Christians since, the idea of perpetuity, keeps the flock in line because the return of Jesus can be "any day."
For those of us on the outside looking in, we can see a total injustice being done to the passages where they are yanked out of their context in order to quench the glaring problems with such liberal interpretations of the passages. Fact is, the early Christians were looking for a returning Jesus to come and beat down Rome and restore Israel back to the days of David and Solomon. We even have record of early skeptics mocking those within the faith about this alleged return and it has been 2,000 and counting and still no Jesus. Heck, at least the Jehovah's Witness and Seventh Day Adventists tried to cover up the embarrassment with some asinine explanations.
Christians who believe that Jesus is still coming back are experts at moving the goal posts. The fact is, in that ancient Jewish world, ripe with apocalyptic talk and fervor, it was not surprising to find such talk of end times and the likes. In fact, the chatter began as far back as a few hundred years before the New Testament era, as weary Jews, tired of being kicked around by one empire after the other and believing they were the chosen people, began to look for deliverance. In preparation, sects like the Essenes abandoned civilization to head to the desert to purify themselves and wait for their great teacher to arrive. Sects like the Pharisees took a rigid adherence to the law like modern day Muslim zealots do with their religion. It was in this world the New Testament was back-dropped against.
The writers did not have anything beyond their time and just beyond it in mind. Apocalyptic writings (even today) ALWAYS reach fever pitch in times of crisis and is concerned with the THEN, not events 2,000 years into the future, but for Christians since, the idea of perpetuity, keeps the flock in line because the return of Jesus can be "any day."
For those of us on the outside looking in, we can see a total injustice being done to the passages where they are yanked out of their context in order to quench the glaring problems with such liberal interpretations of the passages. Fact is, the early Christians were looking for a returning Jesus to come and beat down Rome and restore Israel back to the days of David and Solomon. We even have record of early skeptics mocking those within the faith about this alleged return and it has been 2,000 and counting and still no Jesus. Heck, at least the Jehovah's Witness and Seventh Day Adventists tried to cover up the embarrassment with some asinine explanations.
People continually use concepts and beliefs of Christianity to make a point against the Bible when Christian beliefs have little to do with the Bible.
God has a set plan in time, and a ladder to walk a path that Christians are simply not aware of.
Christianity cannot know the plan because they simply reject the word of God. They stand against everything that is called of God or that is worshipped and then they try and stand as authorities on what they refuse to even study.
What Christian can lay out every detail of just the daily sacrifice?
What Christian can explain what the priest is doing everyday and what happens when the priest does a thing when they have no knowledge of the comings and goings of the Temple?
Jesus has 7 appointed visitation days appointed him by his father BECAUSE he was a human, and BECAUSE those appointed days are for humans, they are in fact a ladder and timeline of a walk with God that LEADS to the second coming of Christ.
Each appointed day tells a story in time, just as it was that after 4 days, the Messiah had to come, and his reign has to continue for 2000 years in which the end of his reign begins a new thousand year reign.
Every single thing that Jesus said was a Parable, everything that came out of his mouth was written for people who knew the comings and goings of the Temple like the back of their hand.
And even though a person can learn and translate what was really said, it cannot be relayed to a person who does not know the language.
The supposed apocalypse talked about ion Matthew 24, and the book of Revelation is saying things to people who can read.
It isn't speaking to people who cannot read Parables.
Example.
Revelation talks about merchant sailors in a ship upon the seas when Babylon would fall, and how the merchant sailors would mourn upon the seas.
This has NOTHING to do with merchant sailors in a boat upon the seas.
NOTHING.
The merchant sailors are named Zebulun and Issachar.
It is simply showing people in the second level of their walk with God.
The ancient concept of the two merchant sailors in a ship upon the seas selling their wares was known by EVERYONE when it was first said.
Even the Koran mentions this ancient concept that a Person is a ship upon the waters, and one merchant makes money so he can support his brother who studies to become a priest, and when the person has studied enough, he teaches his brother, and then they become a new man and jump from the boat into the next level.
But a Christian will take Revelation and say,'' LOOK, a day is coming when the merchant sailors will mourn at the fall of Babylon, and LOOK, a third of the trees die, a third of the waters.''
But all these things are ancient concepts, when you believe in Jesus, a river runs through you, and when you walk with God and become a tree bearing good fruit amongst the green grass, it's not talking about trees dying, or waters dying, or creatures in the sea dying.
Jesus came to make fishers of men to save people out of the water.
But the Christian who refuses to look into the comings and goings of the Temple will not know any of this, and they will take it all and just start making things up.
That doesn't mean God is not without his plan, and the days of the Messiah are 2000 years.
But has Jesus came conquering kingdoms?
Yes, he has.
How many gentiles have been added to the nation because of one Jew?
How many lives are controlled every single day through the spirit of one Jew?
Reaching the kingdom of heaven is within our reach, and the second coming of Jesus is not in the wilderness, it is within a person.
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