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Without a common bond, there is nothing to hold society together.
For example, there have been a number of wonderful suggestions regarding cutting back social welfare programs by members of this forum, such as families moving in with one another instead of receiving benefits; however, culturally, it's just not possible.
This country is becoming increasingly morally bankrupt. You can't really trust your family around another family because they lack the same moral compass or have no reason to ultimately have the self discipline to be humane.
If you don't believe in God, then ultimately there are no consequences. You can essentially get away with anything as long as you can get away with it. If I wanted to commit adultery with your wife, I could convince myself that it is human nature, and that no woman should be any man's possession. It is her free will that dictates who and what she does with her life.
That could very well result in you killing me in a murderous rage. If I were to believe in a higher power, specifically, the Christian God, I would not be able to justify sleeping with your wife. It would be flat out wrong, and if I were to do it, at the very least, I would feel incredibly guilty if I don't develop the self-discipline to control my actions.
What about racism?
I guarantee you it will increase dramatically as less and less people believe in Jesus Christ and abide by his words. There will be no love for one's brothers and sisters. Movements will arise, which will be accompanied by hatred, and murder.
I'm not sure people have the foresight to see what they are creating when they are taking Jesus out of people's lives.
It certainly isn't a world I would like to live in.
Without a common bond, there is nothing to hold society together.
For example, there have been a number of wonderful suggestions regarding cutting back social welfare programs by members of this forum, such as families moving in with one another instead of receiving benefits; however, culturally, it's just not possible.
This country is becoming increasingly morally bankrupt. You can't really trust your family around another family because they lack the same moral compass or have no reason to ultimately have the self discipline to be humane.
If you don't believe in God, then ultimately there are no consequences. You can essentially get away with anything as long as you can get away with it. If I wanted to commit adultery with your wife, I could convince myself that it is human nature, and that no woman should be any man's possession. It is her free will that dictates who and what she does with her life.
That could very well result in you killing me in a murderous rage. If I were to believe in a higher power, specifically, the Christian God, I would not be able to justify sleeping with your wife. It would be flat out wrong, and if I were to do it, at the very least, I would feel incredibly guilty if I don't develop the self-discipline to control my actions.
What about racism?
I guarantee you it will increase dramatically as less and less people believe in Jesus Christ and abide by his words. There will be no love for one's brothers and sisters. Movements will arise, which will be accompanied by hatred, and murder.
I'm not sure people have the foresight to see what they are creating when they are taking Jesus out of people's lives.
It certainly isn't a world I would like to live in.
You sound young.
Most of the world manages to get by without believing in the Christian God. Our "common bond" should be looking after each other and the planet which sustains us.
Without a common bond, there is nothing to hold society together.
For example, there have been a number of wonderful suggestions regarding cutting back social welfare programs by members of this forum, such as families moving in with one another instead of receiving benefits; however, culturally, it's just not possible.
This country is becoming increasingly morally bankrupt. You can't really trust your family around another family because they lack the same moral compass or have no reason to ultimately have the self discipline to be humane.
If you don't believe in God, then ultimately there are no consequences. You can essentially get away with anything as long as you can get away with it. If I wanted to commit adultery with your wife, I could convince myself that it is human nature, and that no woman should be any man's possession. It is her free will that dictates who and what she does with her life.
That could very well result in you killing me in a murderous rage. If I were to believe in a higher power, specifically, the Christian God, I would not be able to justify sleeping with your wife. It would be flat out wrong, and if I were to do it, at the very least, I would feel incredibly guilty if I don't develop the self-discipline to control my actions.
What about racism?
I guarantee you it will increase dramatically as less and less people believe in Jesus Christ and abide by his words. There will be no love for one's brothers and sisters. Movements will arise, which will be accompanied by hatred, and murder.
I'm not sure people have the foresight to see what they are creating when they are taking Jesus out of people's lives.
It certainly isn't a world I would like to live in.
Because self-proclaimed Christians never commit adultery, or kill, or are racist, and they always show love for everyone?
Because self-proclaimed Christians never commit adultery, or kill, or are racist, and they always show love for everyone?
Humanity is a hard thing to overcome. The majority of society at least in the US is also overweight and completely undisciplined. Society makes it easy for people to be this way.
If we changed society to reflect our values, then people would be more inclined to do the right thing.
So the fact that - say, the decidedly non-Christian Japanese society - persists is inexplicable to you. This says nothing about anything but your own incredulity.
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Without a common bond, there is nothing to hold society together.
Society has all sorts of common bonds beyond Christianity.
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For example, there have been a number of wonderful suggestions regarding cutting back social welfare programs by members of this forum, such as families moving in with one another instead of receiving benefits; however, culturally, it's just not possible.
This country is becoming increasingly morally bankrupt. You can't really trust your family around another family because they lack the same moral compass or have no reason to ultimately have the self discipline to be humane.
As opposed to when?
Let me guess - back in the good old days we were supposedly more moral?
This was back when an entire race of people was enslaved.
This was back when another race of people were alternately slaughtered, or just shunted off to reservations where they could die once there of neglect, if the herding them off the valuable land in the first place didn't result in their deaths.
This was back when there were no child-labor laws, and thus children toiled away in mines and mills, among other places.
This was when when were not permitted to vote, and where in all 50 states it was perfectly legal for their husbands to rape them.
What person in their right mind thinks we used to be more moral than now?
Oh, wait, elt me guess - someone who thinks gays being allowed to marry and easy access to more porn is worse than all those horrors I listed above, right?
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If you don't believe in God, then ultimately there are no consequences. You can essentially get away with anything as long as you can get away with it. If I wanted to commit adultery with your wife, I could convince myself that it is human nature, and that no woman should be any man's possession. It is her free will that dictates who and what she does with her life.
Q: What part of the U.S. has the highest rates of professed belief and church attendance?
A: The South
Q: What part of the U.S. has the highest violent crime and property crime rates?
A: The South
Q: Which country, the pious U.S. or the less-pious Canada, has higher violent crime and property crime rates?
A: The U.S.
Go ahead, do the same comparison between the U.S. and Europe, northern Europe and southern Europe, western Europe and southern Europe - the results will be the same.
You make this sweeping claims that you insist are so just because you say so, all the while ignoring abundant real-world evidence to the contrary.
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That could very well result in you killing me in a murderous rage. If I were to believe in a higher power, specifically, the Christian God, I would not be able to justify sleeping with your wife. It would be flat out wrong, and if I were to do it, at the very least, I would feel incredibly guilty if I don't develop the self-discipline to control my actions.
What about racism?
I guarantee you it will increase dramatically as less and less people believe in Jesus Christ and abide by his words. There will be no love for one's brothers and sisters. Movements will arise, which will be accompanied by hatred, and murder.
I'm not sure people have the foresight to see what they are creating when they are taking Jesus out of people's lives.
It certainly isn't a world I would like to live in.
Oh, my - a guarantee. Which demonstrates nothing more than you have no idea what that word even means. Beyond that, as I pointed out above, the decrease in religiosity in this country has correlated with less racism, not more. Did it never occur to you that slavery was racism in action? How about Jim Crow? How about laws preventing Asians from becoming citizens? How about the slaughter of the Native Americans? All of these things occurred when the country was far more Christian than it is now.
You're obviously parroting things you've heard without giving them a moment of actual thought.
The way we argue is - suppose you lost your religion. What would you do different? Would your morals immediately go out of the window?
Usually we get away with it as nobody wants to admit...'Hell yeah...if only I didn't believe that Jesus was watching me through a CCTV, I'd be on top of the cute chick next door with her folks kept off with a sawn -off shotgun and bricking the window of the bike store and swiping that model I never got the money for as they keep putting the price up...'
But in fact, I have a theory.... ... that some of the really bad dudes around here are that way because they lost religion but, being brought up as part of a strict churchgoer family... "Now you just look happy now we off to church and you got to wear a tie or it is disrespectful to Jesus, and no sucking Haribo gummies like last time..'
...They never got to work out an alternative morality and they got nothing to fall back on.
So yeah, maybe in their view if they didn't believe that God was watching to see they didn't play with themselves, they would would be down the mall with their FN SCAR (1) wasting the shoppers for no better reason than they saw no reason why they shouldn't. They'd have been down there long ago trashing the populace if they got the idea in their head that their god had given a good reason why they should.
Maybe that's why society not only can persist without religion - all religion - but I begin to wonder if it can survive without getting rid of it.
Most of the world manages to get by without believing in the Christian God. Our "common bond" should be looking after each other and the planet which sustains us.
No religion required.
Just because someone thinks that tings "should be" this way, it doesn't mean that they are.
In America people are not looking out for each other. In Mexican culture and Russian culture they do as far as I am aware of.
HOWEVER, in America, they created systems that are protecting people BETTER than the systems they have in other cultures. So maybe it kind of balances itself out.
So while people stick together more in other cultures, it feels safer to be in America. That's my view anyways.
So the fact that - say, the decidedly non-Christian Japanese society - persists is inexplicable to you. This says nothing about anything but your own incredulity.
Society has all sorts of common bonds beyond Christianity.
As opposed to when?
Let me guess - back in the good old days we were supposedly more moral?
This was back when an entire race of people was enslaved.
This was back when another race of people were alternately slaughtered, or just shunted off to reservations where they could die once there of neglect, if the herding them off the valuable land in the first place didn't result in their deaths.
This was back when there were no child-labor laws, and thus children toiled away in mines and mills, among other places.
This was when when were not permitted to vote, and where in all 50 states it was perfectly legal for their husbands to rape them.
What person in their right mind thinks we used to be more moral than now?
Oh, wait, elt me guess - someone who thinks gays being allowed to marry and easy access to more porn is worse than all those horrors I listed above, right?
Q: What part of the U.S. has the highest rates of professed belief and church attendance?
A: The South
Q: What part of the U.S. has the highest violent crime and property crime rates?
A: The South
Q: Which country, the pious U.S. or the less-pious Canada, has higher violent crime and property crime rates?
A: The U.S.
Go ahead, do the same comparison between the U.S. and Europe, northern Europe and southern Europe, western Europe and southern Europe - the results will be the same.
You make this sweeping claims that you insist are so just because you say so, all the while ignoring abundant real-world evidence to the contrary.
Oh, my - a guarantee. Which demonstrates nothing more than you have no idea what that word even means. Beyond that, as I pointed out above, the decrease in religiosity in this country has correlated with less racism, not more. Did it never occur to you that slavery was racism in action? How about Jim Crow? How about laws preventing Asians from becoming citizens? How about the slaughter of the Native Americans? All of these things occurred when the country was far more Christian than it is now.
You're obviously parroting things you've heard without giving them a moment of actual thought.
Honestly, I couldn't even bring myself to read the majority of your post. It's far too pretentious as you're far too intelligent to listen to anyone but yourself.
You've probably never done any physical labor in your entire life. I doubt you really have any idea how to relate to the common person because you've never been one.
Additionally, you're putting words in my mouth. Apparently, you're unfamiliar with the words of Jesus Christ, yet you feel compelled to act as if you speak for him and all Christians, which is ironic, because you have no idea what he actually said.
Perhaps, you should familiarize yourself with his words, so you at least know where I'm coming from before you respond in such a bigoted and ignorant manner.
Maybe you could point out where Jesus talked about enslaving people or murdering "native" Americans.
He doesn't say that, does he?
You also appear to be totally ignorant about economic development which requires child labor for economies to transfer out of a low levels of economic development into increasingly higher levels until technology really starts to replace labor capital. Maybe you hate the impoverished people of other countries and you don't want them to succeed because there is only so much pie to go around and you've been a fat cat for so long, you couldn't imagine giving up some of your pie.
Also, if you would do some research you would find out that these "native" Americans went to war with one another, just as many other tribal societies throughout history have been at war with one another before, if ever, finding solidarity.
Why should I expect more? We live in a society of entitlement. People think they know everything about everything. They believe they are omnipotent and are so arrogant that they could never believe that there is something actually above them that holds power over them.
It is what it is. You're a product of society.
You elucidate my point. You can say whatever you want to say, but I see what I see and my eyes don't lie.
Without a common bond, there is nothing to hold society together.
For example, there have been a number of wonderful suggestions regarding cutting back social welfare programs by members of this forum, such as families moving in with one another instead of receiving benefits; however, culturally, it's just not possible.
This country is becoming increasingly morally bankrupt. You can't really trust your family around another family because they lack the same moral compass or have no reason to ultimately have the self discipline to be humane.
If you don't believe in God, then ultimately there are no consequences. You can essentially get away with anything as long as you can get away with it. If I wanted to commit adultery with your wife, I could convince myself that it is human nature, and that no woman should be any man's possession. It is her free will that dictates who and what she does with her life.
That could very well result in you killing me in a murderous rage. If I were to believe in a higher power, specifically, the Christian God, I would not be able to justify sleeping with your wife. It would be flat out wrong, and if I were to do it, at the very least, I would feel incredibly guilty if I don't develop the self-discipline to control my actions.
What about racism?
I guarantee you it will increase dramatically as less and less people believe in Jesus Christ and abide by his words. There will be no love for one's brothers and sisters. Movements will arise, which will be accompanied by hatred, and murder.
I'm not sure people have the foresight to see what they are creating when they are taking Jesus out of people's lives.
It certainly isn't a world I would like to live in.
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as nobody wants to admit...'Hell yeah...if only I didn't believe that Jesus was watching me through a CCTV, I'd be on top of the cute chick next door with her folks kept off with a sawn -off shotgun and bricking the window of the bike store and swiping that model I never got the money for as they keep putting the price up...' 
