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I have been reading through the responses and I can't say I'm surprised but I will give a few thoughts and just back off so others can continue to share their views.
- I don't care if you are purple or blue, gay or straight, Muslim or Hindu, whatever, when someone does something that others perceive wrong I expect it to be called out regardless of who does it, if you have made an effort to call it out for certain groups. This isn't about defending Christians, this is about calling out hypocrisy. I don't support or agree with Christians using violence or using derogatory terms against gays, but at the same time I don't expect the same from the other side. I believe each group should be held accountable. If we are going to start threads about all of these people who call themselves Christians who you deem to be hypocrites because of their actions, then other groups deserve the same treatment otherwise you are no better than the people you take offense to.
So, I should be getting an apology from every Christian organization in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area next time I get called a f**?
Christians do awful stuff all of the time, but the rest of the community just goes, "Oh, they weren't real Christians anyways." Yet, somehow, people like you seem to expect that every Muslim needs to speak out against the awful acts committed in their name, or every gay group needs to condemn a random act of vandalism.
I know you have the whole "Christian persecution complex", but I bet if we were to keep score, gays would have a lot less horrible acts done in their name than Christians.
Perhaps the most relevant type of condemnation towards the religious when considering bigotry against gays is the religious doctrine. Many religious people think they have the green light to show bigotry based on their religious teachings. Essentially; it is organized bigotry, and it has been condone until recent decades, and in places, is still condoned. "Gay activists" do not have dogma supporting anti religion action.
I find myself unable to communicate with you, you seem to understand nothing of what is written, and toss in completely ludicrous statements such as the above.
I would ask you to identify where you see me rationalizing violence of any kind, but of course you will not go back and discover that this was another thoughtless lie on your part, you will simply rely on producing another thoughtless lie.
What is the point of attempting to discuss anything with you when you behave in this manner? You either do not bother reading what people write by way of responses to your posts, or you are incapable of understanding what is written. I base this on the extraordinary inappropriateness of your replies.
I find myself unable to communicate with you, you seem to understand nothing of what is written, and toss in completely ludicrous statements such as the above.
I would ask you to identify where you see me rationalizing violence of any kind, but of course you will not go back and discover that this was another thoughtless lie on your part, you will simply rely on producing another thoughtless lie.
What is the point of attempting to discuss anything with you when you behave in this manner? You either do not bother reading what people write by way of responses to your posts, or you are incapable of understanding what is written. I base this on the extraordinary inappropriateness of your replies.
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Further, I answered your question, explaining that the difference is that the religious people's condemnation of homosexuals extends far beyond merely those who engage in criminal behavior, they condemn homosexuality itself. This is followed by your writing that I did not address the point when everyone here can see that I did.
There is no difference, they are both wrong. The fact that you have to try to distinguish a difference between the two shows you are excusing the behavior. As you are...
So, I should be getting an apology from every Christian organization in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area next time I get called a f**?
Christians do awful stuff all of the time, but the rest of the community just goes, "Oh, they weren't real Christians anyways." Yet, somehow, people like you seem to expect that every Muslim needs to speak out against the awful acts committed in their name, or every gay group needs to condemn a random act of vandalism.
I know you have the whole "Christian persecution complex", but I bet if we were to keep score, gays would have a lot less horrible acts done in their name than Christians.
Nope nope nope. If you don't like being called gay, I don't like being called bigoted because of what someone else did to someone like you, so now you understand where I'm coming from.
Nope nope nope. If you don't like being called gay, I don't like being called bigoted because of what someone else did to someone like you, so now you understand where I'm coming from.
That word is not a synonym for gay just like the N word is not a synonym for black. It has a hateful history associated with it, and you comparing it to someone being called out on their bigoted actions is disgusting and offensive.
I don't assume you're bigoted because you are Christian. I know lots of wonderful Christians that aren't bigots. I know a bigot by their actions, and have no problem calling them out on it.
That word is not a synonym for gay. It has a hateful history associated with it, and you comparing it to someone being called out on their bigoted actions is disgusting and offensive.
I don't assume you're bigoted because you are Christian. I know lots of wonderful Christians that aren't bigots. I know a bigot by their actions, and have no problem calling them out on it.
I'm not suggesting it's the same, I'm suggesting that you know what it's like to be mistreated by a group of people so you should understand why that type of behavior should not be condoned by anyone.
I understand you may not assume that about me, but one of the reasons why you are seeing the behavior that I have pointed out with this thread is because people really do see Christians as bigots. There actually may be some legitimate bigots, but that doesn't mean that everyone that professes to be a Christian is.
I don't assume you're bigoted because you are Christian. I know lots of wonderful Christians that aren't bigots. I know a bigot by their actions, and have no problem calling them out on it.
Exactly! I was at an Episcopal service this Sunday, and the sermon was given by a seminarian, a pastor in training. She explicitly called out the attempts in Indiana and Arkansas to give legal protection to bigoted behavior as being wrong. Not all Christians are behind this stuff.
No, the way not to be seen as a bigot is to not espouse bigotry. When you don't support discriminatory and unjust laws, when you don't support people using their religion as an excuse to mistreat others, you don't get labelled as a bigot.
Exactly! I was at an Episcopal service this Sunday, and the sermon was given by a seminarian, a pastor in training. She explicitly called out the attempts in Indiana and Arkansas to give legal protection to bigoted behavior as being wrong. Not all Christians are behind this stuff.
No, the way not to be seen as a bigot is to not espouse bigotry. When you don't support discriminatory and unjust laws, when you don't support people using their religion as an excuse to mistreat others, you don't get labelled as a bigot.
Neat how that works...
-NoCapo
Makes far too much sense to be acceptable to a fundamentalist mindset.
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